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Grex > Coop > #285: Proposed Bylaw Change - Board Size & Quorum | |
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kentn
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response 30 of 49:
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Oct 14 14:12 UTC 2010 |
There are PayPal links on the Grex web page, also. They are on the same
page that Joe quotes in #29. See: http://www.grex.org/member.xhtml
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mary
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response 31 of 49:
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Oct 14 14:36 UTC 2010 |
I look at the PayPal site a few weeks ago and the only amount available is
$60 for a one year membership. Maybe that could be changed?
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krj
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response 32 of 49:
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Oct 14 15:29 UTC 2010 |
resp:29 :: jgelinas wrote:
" Members should know when they last paid dues and how much they paid.
Therefore, they should know when their membership expires. Reminders
from the organisation shouldn't really be necessary."
I only know a handful of people in the world who run their lives
like that. Most people do not. Grex does not provide any
on-line means for members to query their status.
I think any organization which depends on users to remember when
their membership or subscription expires is bound for extinction. :-)
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kentn
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response 33 of 49:
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Oct 14 17:23 UTC 2010 |
If you look at the grex.org web page with the PayPal links, there is
a $60 year membership and $6 per month membership links. If we get the
dues change passed, then we can change that.
As for PayPal itself, if there's only a $60/yr membership link there,
then, yes, we should change that to add the $6/mo. membership x however
months you want.
It's a bit of changing after we change the bylaws, but we don't want
anyone to be confused or the situation to be wrong when they apply.
Currently, it's $60/yr and $6/month.
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rcurl
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response 34 of 49:
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Oct 14 19:32 UTC 2010 |
"Members should know when they last paid dues..."
Organizations that don't remind members when their dues are due are doomed
to disappear.
"Back in December, the Board declared all former members to be eligible
to vote and then declared a six-month moratorium on dues; these actions
did not encourage people to join."
What did it mean to "join" if there were no dues?
If the dues are going to be $18/a, hardly anyone is going to join now at $60
- especially when the organization isn't acting very friendly toward long time
supporters.
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nharmon
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response 35 of 49:
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Oct 14 19:53 UTC 2010 |
Can't paypal handle all of this, like remind people who are no longer
paying, and provide an API for grex to reference which accounts are
members, etc?
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kentn
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response 36 of 49:
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Oct 14 19:56 UTC 2010 |
Maybe it won't pass? Here's the deal, if you want to tell people it will
be $18 a year but then later it isn't, then people will feel ripped off.
It's okay to say there is a proposal to lower it, of course, with the
proviso that until it passes, the old rate will apply.
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jgelinas
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response 37 of 49:
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Oct 15 14:05 UTC 2010 |
Which is why I set $18.00 in my proposal: $18.00 buys three months at
the current rate, which is enough to vote. If the proposal passes (and
it doesn't look like it is even going to come to a vote), then the
retroactive clause will turn those three-month memberships into one-year
memberships without further ado.
Right now, *I* am not feeling "very friendly toward long time
supporters." Unfortunately, my rhetoric reflects that feeling. :(
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jgelinas
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response 38 of 49:
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Oct 16 14:07 UTC 2010 |
So, are voting by e-mail or by the Polling Booth? If by e-mail, is the
address "voteadm@cyberspace.org" valid and useful?
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mary
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response 39 of 49:
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Oct 16 14:15 UTC 2010 |
I was kind of hoping someone in a leadership position would step in and
give folks the okay to email their vote or state their vote in this item.
Board? This should be a done deal before nominations for the next board
elections begin.
Again, the final text of what we're voting on is in this item, response
#17.
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jgelinas
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response 40 of 49:
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Oct 16 14:37 UTC 2010 |
I'm OK with either solution, as long as the voters don't insist on
secret ballots. :)
Do we need five Directors to speak up? Can Kent make the call?
I do like this sentence from the relevant article of Bylaws: "The vote
is begun as soon as feasible and is conducted online over a period of
ten days." So I revise my question to: "How do you want to collect the
votes, John?"
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rcurl
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response 41 of 49:
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Oct 16 20:25 UTC 2010 |
"as soon as feasible" shouldn't appear in bylaws. What's it mean? Whenever?
Who determines feasibility?
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kentn
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response 42 of 49:
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Oct 16 22:16 UTC 2010 |
See my response #24 in this item for my opinion on e-mail voting.
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remmers
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response 43 of 49:
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Oct 17 21:24 UTC 2010 |
Okay, I bit the bullet and set up the voting software. Some revision
was necessary to more gracefully handle proposals (as opposed to
board elections) via the web interface, and to deal with multiple
votes running simultaneously. I realize the interface could use a
little cosmetic polishing, but I think it works. Anyway, it was an
interesting experience to modify code that I haven't looked at
in five or six years.
As it was a pain to support two interfaces to the program (web and
tty), I've dropped the tty interface. Voting now takes place via
the web. (You can always run lynx to do it from a tty...) To get
started, go to http://grex.org/cgi-bin/pw/voting-booth. (Or https
instead of http, for greater security.) Welcome to the 21st
century. :-)
Since the mandated time has passed and Mary submitted a final
wording, I've enabled voting on this proposal. I'll do the same
for other proposals as soon as I've been notified of a final
wording by the proposers.
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kentn
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response 44 of 49:
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Oct 17 22:02 UTC 2010 |
Thank you, John. This helps a lot and should be easier than tracking
e-mail.
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remmers
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response 45 of 49:
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Oct 31 15:51 UTC 2010 |
Nine eligible members voted - 8 yes, 1 no. The proposal PASSES.
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jgelinas
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response 46 of 49:
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Oct 31 16:04 UTC 2010 |
Did any others vote, John?
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tsty
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response 47 of 49:
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Nov 1 16:00 UTC 2010 |
>good question ... all votes are to be reported, onmly some count for
>pass/fail.
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remmers
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response 48 of 49:
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Nov 3 19:27 UTC 2010 |
The "all votes are to be reported" is more "custom" than "requirement".
But it's certainly been the usual practice, so by popular demand I'll
continue it...
Six non-members voted on this. 4 yes, 2 no.
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tsty
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response 49 of 49:
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Nov 4 06:39 UTC 2010 |
again, tnx, good jopb.
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