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Grex > Music3 > #45: The Irish Music Discussion from Agora Conference |  |
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tfbjr
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response 3 of 72:
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Oct 24 19:33 UTC 2001 |
Enya is one of my guilty pleasures.
Hey! stop that dirty-minded train of thought! I meant to say her *music*.
I am a hard rock fan at my core, but my tastes also cover other music, and
I find Enya's music very relaxing.
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rlejeune
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response 4 of 72:
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Oct 24 19:49 UTC 2001 |
I like Enya's music pretty well. It doesn't matter to me that it may not be
considered "pure" Irish.
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slynne
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response 5 of 72:
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Oct 24 20:43 UTC 2001 |
I have a collection of cd's that I keep in my room that are by "bedtime
music" Enya is one of my favorites. It is totally relaxing.
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mcnally
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response 6 of 72:
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Oct 24 21:32 UTC 2001 |
I wouldn't care for a constant diet of it, but I find Enya's music to
be enjoyably atmospheric, making fine background music when I'm
concentrating on a book or a programming project..
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michaela
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response 7 of 72:
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Oct 24 22:50 UTC 2001 |
I like Enya...I just don't consider the new album "Irish" in style. When I
think of Irish, I think of the Pogues (Irish punk) or the Chieftains.
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dunne
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response 8 of 72:
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Oct 24 23:07 UTC 2001 |
#7: Well, if you're going to be picky, The Pogues are/were (are they
still arond?) Londoners letting on to be Irish... Enya is an Irish
woman playing "New Age" music , though she does come from an Irish
Folk background; just as U2 are an Irish band playing Rock 'n Roll
(or whatever it's called nowadays).
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anderyn
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response 9 of 72:
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Oct 24 23:36 UTC 2001 |
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mcnally
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response 10 of 72:
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Oct 25 01:23 UTC 2001 |
The Pogues had occasional moments of brilliance (I've always liked
"Fairytale of New York") and many less-inspired but still enjoyable
songs (I have an inexplicable soft spot for some of the other songs
on "If I Should Fall..", like "Bottle of Smoke" and "Turkish Song of
the Damned") Unfortunately, McGowan just disintegrated under the
weight of his band's success..
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dunne
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response 11 of 72:
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Oct 25 02:22 UTC 2001 |
The Pogues one moment of glory:
The Boys From The County Hell
by Shane MacGowan
On the first day of March it was raining
It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen
I drank ten pints of beer and I cursed all the people there
And I wish that all this rain would stop falling down on me
And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning
At the time I was working for a landlord
And he was the meanest bastard that you have ever seen
And to lose a single penny would grieve him awful sore
And he was a miserable bollocks and a bitch's bastard's whore
And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning
I recall we took care of him one Sunday
We got him out the back and we broke his fucking balls
And maybe that was dreaming and maybe that was real
But all I know is I left that place without a penny or fuck all.
And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning
But now I've the most charming of verandahs
I sit and watch the junkies, the drunks, the pimps, the whores
Five green bottles sitting on the floor
I wish to Christ, I wish to Christ that I had fifteen more.
And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning
And it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning
The boys and me are drunk and looking for you
We'll eat your frigging entrails and we won't give a damn
Me daddy was a blue shirt and my mother a madam
And my brother earned his medals at My Lai in Vietnam
And it's lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning
On the first day of March it was raining
It was raining worse than anything that I have ever seen
Stay on the other side of the road 'cause you can never tell
We've a thirst like a gang of devils, we're the boys of the county hell.
And it's lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning
And it's lend me ten pounds and I'll buy you a drink
And mother wake me early in the morning.
But I've heard whole Pogue albums where every song is done in the
same time, no matter what it is. In particular, I've never fogiven
Shane MacGowman for the way I heard him massacre "Roddy MacCorley".
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orinoco
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response 12 of 72:
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Oct 25 02:57 UTC 2001 |
Honestly, I don't think most people's issue with Enya is whether or not she's
'traditional.' Some people like their music hard, and some like it soft, and
Enya's far enough on the soft end of the spectrum that she'll annoy the hell
out of anyone with harder tastes. The Pogues (or, better yet, Dropkick
Murphys or Ashley MacIsaac) have the same problem in reverse -- their sound
is hard enough that it'll annoy anyone with softer tastes, no matter how good
or bad or 'real' or 'fake' their music is.
(Of course, Enya _isn't_ traditional, and neither are the Pogues. My point
is, there are too many people who think that Enya is authentic but the Pogues
aren't (or vice versa -- sorry, Sarah) for me to think that anyone's really
talking about authenticity when they have this argument.)
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mcnally
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response 13 of 72:
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Oct 25 03:06 UTC 2001 |
(And then there's the question of why it should matter if
music is "authentic"..)
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brighn
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response 14 of 72:
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Oct 25 03:16 UTC 2001 |
I agree with Paul that The Pogues had but one moment of glory, but disagree
about what it is. "Fairytale of New York" is a classic, and it was only after
buying a Pogues album that I realized it was Kirsty that made that song a
classic, not The Pogues.
BTW, I don't *like* Irish music, so saying that Enya isn't Irish music is a
compliment to her, not an insult.
(I'm glad to see that Dan is going with the flow on this conversation...)
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eeyore
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response 15 of 72:
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Oct 25 03:36 UTC 2001 |
Actually, what I really don't like about her is the music. Computerized music
just makes my skin crawl. Well, and a whole bunch of her songs sound all the
same too. Her earlier stuff did seem to have some Irish background to it,
even if it was New Age.
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happyboy
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response 16 of 72:
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Oct 25 10:56 UTC 2001 |
enya makes me sleepy.
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brighn
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response 17 of 72:
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Oct 25 13:06 UTC 2001 |
anything which calms happyboy down is probably a good thing =}
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edina
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response 18 of 72:
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Oct 25 13:27 UTC 2001 |
hah!
I do like the Pogues - Peace and Love is one of my favorite pieces of music,
but not for the reasons people think - "Young Ned of the Hill" is such a
rebel song - it makes me think of the Wolftones. And I am also love "Down
All the Days". But "In My Blue Heaven" (I may have the title wrong) brings
back such great memories of dancing around my dorm room.
I am a huge fan of Hothouse Flowers - they are more of a poppy Irish band
(think Counting Crows) but when I see them, they usually do one or two trad
Irish songs and they convey it quite beautifully. They seem so wonderfully
passionate about it all . . .
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happyboy
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response 19 of 72:
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Oct 25 15:02 UTC 2001 |
re17: buy me some BEER then, paul. :)
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krj
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response 20 of 72:
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Oct 25 15:23 UTC 2001 |
resp:18 :: I wasn't sure Hothouse Flowers were still around.
I'd sort of lost track of them; I was never that big a fan but one
of my trading friends was quite enthusiastic. Fiachna seems to be
in a long term collaboration with Michelle Shocked; he was with
her band when they played Ann Arbor, and a few years back a
limited-edition release was jointly billed to the two of them.
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tfbjr
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response 21 of 72:
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Oct 25 15:41 UTC 2001 |
Metallica is my favorite Irish band.
Well...they *did* do a cover of Whiskey in the Jar...
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anderyn
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response 22 of 72:
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Oct 25 15:45 UTC 2001 |
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tfbjr
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response 23 of 72:
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Oct 25 15:53 UTC 2001 |
What's funny about when I first heard the Metallica version is that I was
totally unaware of it being a very old Irish song not to mention that I was
unaware that it had been covered by other artists.
I kept thinking... "this song is really a departure for them... not their
typical style... but I *like* it..."
I felt so naive when I learned the truth.
I've since been to some Irish parties. Lots of Irish music with compulsory
participation. It took a few drinks to make me comfortable singing along to
the rooster song...
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brighn
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response 24 of 72:
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Oct 25 17:20 UTC 2001 |
The fact that "Whiskey in the Jar" was on their 2-disc "cover songs" set
didn't tip you off that it was a cover? ;}
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tfbjr
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response 25 of 72:
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Oct 25 17:53 UTC 2001 |
Although I call myself a fan, alas... I have not followed their releases for
some time. I heard "Turn the Page" much later. I can't think of other covers
I have heard by them. "Am I Evil" is an old cover done by Diamondback if I
recall correctly, but they did that one a long time ago and released it on
the original "Garage Days".
Now I'm curious to hear the other tracks... or at least see what they covered.
Oh well... it's not Irish music, so I should avoid derailing the discussion.
I know little about Irish music.
'cept I know a song about a rooster.
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krj
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response 26 of 72:
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Oct 25 18:33 UTC 2001 |
One would be tempted to try to interest Terence in...
1) Horslips, a 1970s Irish band which flitted back and forth
between mostly acoustic traditional and straight rock, and
whose best album is a "concept album" (uh-oh) hard rock setting
of the Irish mythological work THE BOOK OF INVASIONS.
2) Moving Hearts, a 1980s band which began as an experiment to create
an authentically Irish rock and roll, with Christy Moore as
the singer, and uillean pipes usually replacing electric
guitars as the lead instrument. With Christy as the singer
they were a very political band; after he left they did one
more album which was an all-instrumental masterpiece, THE STORM.
3) Runrig, a long-lived Scottish band who are really just an
arena rock band with a sizable folk/Gaelic influence.
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edina
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response 27 of 72:
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Oct 25 18:43 UTC 2001 |
Hothouse Flowers is still around - they have releases a "live" and "best of"
cd. I could only get their 4th cd in Ireland. I saw them in concert this
past summer - they are probably one of my fave live bands.
I anxiously await new stuff - they did some new songs that I hadn't heard
before.
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