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denise
response 3 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 13:32 UTC 2010

I nominate tsty and gelinas.  And I agree that jadecat would be good,
too.  :-)
mary
response 4 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 23:09 UTC 2010

TS was willing to pick up the treasurer's job.  I don't suspect he had to 
fight anyone for that responsibility.  I hope he runs again as well.

And thanks for that, TS.
cross
response 5 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 12:08 UTC 2010

I nominate Joe Gelinas.  Or, rather, second Denise's nomination.
tsty
response 6 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 12 06:37 UTC 2010

  
i accept the nomination, tnx.
  
remmers
response 7 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 12 15:23 UTC 2010

Reminder:  Nominations close in three days, on November 15.

Nominees have through November 30 to accept.  Voting starts on
December 1.
remmers
response 8 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 15:13 UTC 2010

Final reminder:  Nominations close at midnight tonight (EST).  Nominees
have until the end of the month to accept, and voting begins December 1.
jgelinas
response 9 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 14:27 UTC 2010

So the nominees are tsty, gelinas and jadecat?  And, so far, only tsty
has accepted?
remmers
response 10 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 14:38 UTC 2010

That's correct.
richard
response 11 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 16 18:13 UTC 2010

why not extend the nomination period and postpone the election date in
an attempt to gain some more interest?
jgelinas
response 12 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 15:42 UTC 2010

We have what, ten, members right now?  I'd guess we have all the
interest we are going to get.
slynne
response 13 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 16:16 UTC 2010

Perhaps it is time to go to annual meetings? 
mary
response 14 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 18:23 UTC 2010

I give everyone willing to run for the board this time around a huge vote 
of thanks.  We're going to have to be making some pretty big decisions 
over the next 12 months.  And they won't be easy decisions.  

I don't think fewer meeting would help.  The board needs to be looking 
ahead and planning 8-12 months out.  
jep
response 15 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 20:22 UTC 2010

A couple of years ago, Arbornet had the same problem and moved to a
single annual meeting, with no requirement for physical attendance by
the Board members.  Conference call meetings worked fine as a
replacement, in my opinion.

Arbornet also streamlined the by-laws, and trimmed the Board to 5
directors.  It just plain didn't need all the structure that had built
up over the years.
slynne
response 16 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 21:06 UTC 2010

I was thinking of Arbornet's choice to go that way when I made the
suggestion. I think it can work and special meetings can be called if
needed. 
cross
response 17 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 23:16 UTC 2010

Maybe it's time for a *serious* overall and simplification of bylaws.
cross
response 18 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 23:18 UTC 2010

resp:12 Also, I feel compelled to point out that Grex has done, as far as I
can tell, essentially no advertising...
jep
response 19 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 23:19 UTC 2010

There are 10 members.  Is it worth all that?  You can probably
streamline the by-laws enough to make them workable for the current
Board without much effort, but revising them completely might be a lot
of work.
cross
response 20 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 17 23:23 UTC 2010

I'd say it's worth it in the sense of making the organization more nimble,
which in turn would hopefully make it more viable, which in turn would
hopefully inspire people to join, which would make it worthwhile.
tsty
response 21 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 04:33 UTC 2010

  
11 members ... jadecat joined on 14nov.
  
and re 20 ... i like bootsgtrapping.
 
rcurl
response 22 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 04:40 UTC 2010

A single annual meeting doesn't encourage keeping up with technology (or
socialology, for that matter).
jep
response 23 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 14:46 UTC 2010

Arbornet went to on-line meetings because we didn't have enough members
to fill the Board from the Ann Arbor area.  Having them on-line, we were
able to have Board members from Canada, North Carolina, and even
England.  The current president of Arbornet lives in Montreal.
jgelinas
response 24 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 17:04 UTC 2010

We amended the bylaws to facilitate out-of-town Directors several years
ago.  We have had Directors living in Japan and other parts of Asia.  I
don't know that we have had Directors living in other parts of the US.

One of the two most recent amendments to the bylaws allows online
meetings.

The problem is NOT the Board of Directors, how many or how often or even
how they meet.  The problem is that the membership can no longer support
the organisation.   I don't like it, but nothing I've seen in the past
year has given me any reason to question the conclusion.

I'm still considering whether to accept my nomination to the Board.
rcurl
response 25 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 17:58 UTC 2010

Have all users been approached to join and support Grex? Many may not follow
the conferences (where there is not much persuasion to join, anyway). What
are the member only "perqs", for that matter? 
cross
response 26 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 18:14 UTC 2010

Voting.  Really, should there be anything else?
veek
response 27 of 123: Mark Unseen   Nov 18 19:54 UTC 2010

Re #25: what users?

*sigh* *in a slow dr0ning voice*

You need to get people interested in Unix and the Grex community. To do 
so: 
1. First you need to attract people here by offering things not found 
elsewhere. Firewall-checking scanner (wrapper around nmap), ping, 
traceroute, whois, dig, host, nslookup - with wrappers around all this. 
Geek magnet.
2. Customized domain name with web-space and e-mail: 
april.cyberspace.org with homepage templates - Chick magnet.
3. Create CSS flyers for easy printing so people can advertise - Chick 
magnet.
4. CGI/MySQL - Geek magnet.
5. Google access to forums and party - Chick & Geek magnet. Also 
attracts old ladies and, i guess, old geezers. Lots of advertisement 
with niche groups (gay forums, computers for kids, lifehacker, make 
magazine, IRC, wannabee hackers, Facebook, etc)
6. reduce the waiting time to a couple of seconds.
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None of them will pay.. when you have 50 people in 'who':

6. Some geeks will volunteer to help out, to impress the chicks. They 
may be conned into paying because they can stick it on their resume.
7. Take on 25 paying 'volunteers' and you can rest in peace, especially 
if you have 25 female volunteers. This may sound ridiculous to you BUT 
I TOLD YOU SO years ago! (and i can dig out the posts if you are so 
inclined) 

Check this out: http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?nullogic@sdf
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?blakkat@sdf
http://hapiworm.feckov.org/me.jpg
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?ellainix@sdf
and they have a facebook page with a few 100 more that are even hotter.
here are some more uglies: http://sdf.org/?sdfers 

To do all this, you should have started building up "volunteers" when 
csmcgee was on the board. Instead you hold stupid meetings where you 
rub each others toes and gloat about stupid bylaws!! Gahh! SDF CHARGES 
MONEY! You need to pay to take a dump (quite literally)! And they have 
more hot chicks than Arbornet AND M-Net put together!

In case you guys don't remember (because you were too busy stuffing 
your faces [a good thing imho - a army never travels empty] and 
wondering which bylaw to screw) we had chicks like bipolar, nevi, 
barnali, zoezig, and others logging in! And they actually stayed for 
some time - like a year at least.
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Simple question: since csmcgee came AND left.. and now kentn.. how many 
new features have we added.. umm.. actually better yet.. do we have as 
many features as we once had? No CGI (we used to have that), tel/write 
are off by default, mail was off until some time back, web-site still 
not fully functional, validation makes it harder to do work, newuser 
was AWOL for what I assume was a large chunk of time, no wiki page 
because we aren't notable - neither is SDF BUT SDF works and now he's 
got that bsdtalk interview.. gahh! Even SDF's restricted shell has more 
commands even if it's buggy (as in.. you can get arpa-crap for free)

http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?erinb@sdf
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?sah@sdf
http://sdf.org/tour/sdfers/gen.cgi?phm@sdf
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