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Grex > Helpers > #149: Grex System Problems - Spring 2006 | |
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nharmon
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response 292 of 333:
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Jun 12 11:42 UTC 2006 |
Some of us "jumped ship" a long time ago.
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slynne
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response 293 of 333:
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Jun 12 12:50 UTC 2006 |
As much as I hate to say this, I dont think that grex currently has the
staff needed to maintain email up to the standards we all would like.
This is especially true since there are so many excellent free email
services out there (like gmail).
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davel
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response 294 of 333:
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Jun 12 14:27 UTC 2006 |
I tried to offer a gmail invitation to Grace. They supposedly sent her
email containing the invitation. But since mail to Grex isn't going through,
she never got it.
AFAICS Grex is just plain not accepting mail at present. Always that same
too-many-SMTP-connections message.
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keesan
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response 295 of 333:
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Jun 12 15:46 UTC 2006 |
Last I knew grex was not sending outgoing email either. I don't know any
other place besides freeshell to get a shell account that will let us use
non webmail with mail, mutt, or pine, and set up spamassassin and procmail.
Is anyone working on this problem?
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krj
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response 296 of 333:
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Jun 12 17:01 UTC 2006 |
Rane in resp:291 :: It was probably time to leave Grex's email service
about a year ago. I'm still doing too much mail here, unsuccessfully,
too.
Dave in resp:294 on Gmail invites: Have grace get a hotmail account, then
send the Gmail invite to the hotmail account?
Sindi in resp:295 :: There are probably good reasons there are
very few public shell accounts with e-mail any more. Email has become
a very difficult and hostile environment. There is little reason to
expect volunteers to work like beavers to give you reliable 1985-style
e-mail any more.
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mcnally
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response 297 of 333:
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Jun 12 17:05 UTC 2006 |
Here's the deal. I'm out of town, on the first vacation I've had in
quite a while. As much as it annoys me (I conduct most of my personal
e-mail through Grex and there's no telling what I'm missing, same as
many of the rest of you..) I'm not planning on spending my vacation
learning how to administer exim properly and fixing Grex's e-mail.
Unfortunately nobody else from staff seems to be responding to,
or possibly even reading this conference posts.
When I get back I'm willing to take a shot at getting a mail configuration
working on Grex, but if I do it I'd prefer to use postfix, a mailer I'm
more familiar with. Also, there may be a period when mail doesn't work
at all while things are swapped over. If people can live with that I'll
give it a try when I get home.
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remmers
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response 298 of 333:
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Jun 12 17:33 UTC 2006 |
Well, I'm at least reading this item. Don't know that I'll have time to
work on exim either. (Mail server configuration is in general something
I haven't had a lot of experience with.)
As I recall the history, we're using exim because a staff member at the
time we were transitioning to openbsd was intimately familiar with it
from work and volunteered to set it up. Unfortunately, for reasons that
I think were beyond his control, he's no longer an active staff member,
so we no longer have a resident exim expert.
I think that if you're willing to work on mail configuration and nobody
else is, the mail software we use should be your call, so I would
support switching to something you'd be more comfortable with.
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keesan
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response 299 of 333:
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Jun 12 19:16 UTC 2006 |
Thanks Mike and John. Perhaps I should start an agora item in which we can
post messages for other grexers. In the meantime I won't use the grex email
address for craigslist postings.
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naftee
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response 300 of 333:
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Jun 12 20:27 UTC 2006 |
what on earth would sindii post on craigslist ?
does she write about GreX twits in the rants & raves section ?
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cross
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response 301 of 333:
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Jun 12 20:56 UTC 2006 |
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gull
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response 302 of 333:
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Jun 13 03:37 UTC 2006 |
The number of simultaneous connections is governed by the
'smtp_accept_max' variable. Unfortunately the Exim documentation
doesn't mention what the default setting of this variable is.
A couple other suggestions to streamline the process:
- Currently you wait up to 30 seconds for an ident response. This
happens during the connect phase. I'd shorten that. Set
"rfc_1413_query_timeout" to something in the 10 second range, if you
absolutely can't live without it. I find ident isn't very useful these
days, so I tend to disable that lookup entirely.
- You have 'deliver_queue_load_max' set to 1.0, which means you aren't
doing any deliveries when the load average is above that value. I
might bump that up to 2.0, since Grex seems to run pretty high load
averages at times. This may be part of the reason you aren't getting
much mail through. This is a tricky one; you're potentially trading
off system responsiveness for getting more mail through.
If you've got more people who are familiar with postfix, switching
might be a good idea. MTAs are funny that way; they're complex
programs and people who know one generally find any others to be
incomprehensible. For example, I know Exim reasonably well, but I'd be
lost with Postfix, and I can just barely get Sendmail going.
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nharmon
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response 303 of 333:
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Jun 13 12:01 UTC 2006 |
I'm familiar with exchange, but not out of choice.
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keesan
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response 304 of 333:
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Jun 13 14:18 UTC 2006 |
I could never get mail from earthlink/mindspring, it always timed out (they
did not wait long enough). Is that related to the previous response?
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mcnally
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response 305 of 333:
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Jun 13 18:36 UTC 2006 |
re #302: I tried bumping up the load average limits for queueing and
delivering mail to 2.5 or 3 or something like that before I also tried
cutting out several of the RBL checks. It didn't appear to make any
significant improvement in delivery or in the number of messages dropped.
If you're knowledgable about exim configs you could have a look at the
configs, suggest specific changes (maybe edit a copy, I'll look at the
diffs, and apply them) if you have the time..
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davel
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response 306 of 333:
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Jun 13 20:01 UTC 2006 |
Re 297 (way back):
Mike, I certainly didn't mean to be dumping on you. My experience over the
years has been that you're willing to help people whenever you can,
& I'm confident that you approach staff stuff the same way. I know I
wasn't the only one complaining; but I for one wasn't pointing any fingers.
Meanwhile, it sure looks like someone did *something*. The dozen queued-up
messages that had been trying to go to Grex for several days now seem to have
suddenly vanished from the queue - & as I haven's gotten any bounce messages,
I think they must have gone through. But a new message I just sent seems
to be hanging there. Dunno.
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keesan
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response 307 of 333:
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Jun 13 21:12 UTC 2006 |
I just tried to send myself a mail with pine. I did not get the usual error
messages but it took a long time to go from 0% to 100% sent and then got stuck
at 100%. Ctrl-C exited pine and told me I had sent the mail (after I waited
a few minutes for the prompt) but the mail has not arrived.
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cross
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response 308 of 333:
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Jun 13 21:23 UTC 2006 |
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keesan
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response 309 of 333:
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Jun 13 22:04 UTC 2006 |
finger root -- Charlie Root, mail last read June 12, logged in from msu.edu,
running sh which is using 14% of CPU, causing load average to be around 8.
Amazing that I can still see what I am typing. sh is a shell.
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keesan
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response 310 of 333:
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Jun 13 22:06 UTC 2006 |
sh is now up to 16% of CPU time. It was 13% when I first looked.
Another hole to be plugged?
166 processes, of which 1 is running and the rest are stopped.
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keesan
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response 311 of 333:
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Jun 13 22:07 UTC 2006 |
Make that the rest are idle or zombie, 1 on processor, and sh is 15%.
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keesan
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response 312 of 333:
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Jun 13 22:10 UTC 2006 |
Charlie Root has been running ssh since approximately 5:47. jp2 has been
logged on since 5:38 and is running 'j p 2'. The rest of us are running bbs,
party, lynx, bash, and the like.
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cross
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response 313 of 333:
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Jun 14 00:12 UTC 2006 |
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gull
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response 314 of 333:
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Jun 14 00:25 UTC 2006 |
True, it's much better to log in as someone else and the su to root.
OpenBSD doesn't nag about it just to be contrary. ;)
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keesan
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response 315 of 333:
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Jun 14 03:00 UTC 2006 |
I just got my first mail sent to grex in about a week, and was able to answer
it (I hope) in under 30 sec, but I still never got the mail I sent myself
earlier. Thanks if someone fixed something.
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keesan
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response 316 of 333:
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Jun 14 03:16 UTC 2006 |
Load average is back down from 9 to .4. How would we mortals figure out what
is causing the load average to go up so we can report it to staff?
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