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25 new of 335 responses total.
eeyore
response 291 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 02:07 UTC 2001

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the concept of barring people from donating
or posting to Grex completely what we've been trying to work against?????
janc
response 292 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 02:12 UTC 2001

You are totally right.
swa
response 293 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 06:03 UTC 2001

Re 219:  I actually didn't get the sense at all that the belief that board
meetings should be ftf comes from a belief that "those of us in other
places don't have much to contribute."  I, at least, feel like my
contributions are quite welcome here.  I think if I were serving on a
board, particularly for something like Grex, I'd want to meet with my
fellow board members in person, simply because I think I work better with
people I can see and interact with in person.  To me it seemed like a
concern for group dynamics, not parochialism.  (I did think janc's
comments on experimenting more with other types of meetings made some good
points, though.)

Re 156 (md) and 160 (scott):
(Just as long as we're all bitching about what irritates us about Grex and
about one another...)  Um, I've played Grammar Police on occasion,
usually when people had particular questions about something or said they
weren't sure how to spell something, or whatever.  But I don't get this
trend toward correcting others' spelling unasked.  Is it to prove that
you're smarter than they are?  Is it because you're afraid that if you
don't point out the error they'll corrupt everyone else reading it with
their poor spelling?  Is it simply some obsessive need to correct poor
spelling when you see it?  (I do that too, mentally, but don't feel the
need to type the correctly spelled word each time.)  You two aren't the
only ones I've seen doing this, but it's irritating.  I tend to be quite a
good speller, but I don't generally think better of people because they're
good spellers.  If they start correcting other people's spelling right and
left, I tend to have quite the opposite impression.  It seems rude, and
increasingly common here.  Anyone have any thoughts on why?  I'm genuinely
puzzled.

(This is probably not the best place for this question, but this item
seems to be full of tangents, so what the hell.)

gelinas
response 294 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 06:09 UTC 2001

I sometimes (always?) offer a correct spelling, but it's because I think
they _want_ the correct spelling but don't have it to hand.

Offering information is what I do.
scg
response 295 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 07:35 UTC 2001

re 293:
        I should apologize for the way I said some things in #219, I think.
I've been sick, and wanting to go do stuff but having no energy to do anything
other than sitting here on Grex, so I ended up venting a bunch of frustration
in this item.  I still believe what I said was true, but I should have phrased
it a lot less harshly, and been more clear.  I don't think anybody in this
discussion really believes people who don't live near Ann Arbor don't have
much to contribute, but it certainly seemed to me that there was a strong
sense (who knows, maybe it's even right, but I find him entertaining) that
Jamie didn't have much to contribute.  It seemed to me that Jamie's
location was being attacked unfairly, by people who were really upset about
something unrelated.

I'll certainly agree that, all other things being equal, in person meetings
do have advantages.  When meeting in person is easy, I'll usually choose to
meet in person rather than over the phone.  Still, I don't think it's the most
important factor.  I think Grex, with its worldwide user base, would lose a
lot more by restricting its board to Ann Arbor area people than it would by
allowing board members to phone into board meetings.
spooked
response 296 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 11:32 UTC 2001

Like me in Australia?!?!  I have cable (permanent connection) - no
telephone charges...  What goes there?

jp2
response 297 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 15:48 UTC 2001

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keesan
response 298 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 20:40 UTC 2001

A non-offensive way to correct spellings, which I think some grexers are using
intentionally, is to use the misspelled words in another response, spelled
correctly.  (This of course leaves the next reader with a choice of
spellings).  Sometimes I ask chatters from other countries if they want me
to correct their most serious grammar and spelling mistakes, but usually only
the ones who keep apologizing for their (pretty good) English.  
eeyore
response 299 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 05:26 UTC 2001

I just make fun of the people that I know about spelling from time to time.
I expect them to do the same for me.  (I rarely am let down!  :)
keesan
response 300 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 14:13 UTC 2001

Do you enjoy it when they make fun of you?  Do you think other readers enjoy
it?  (I am asking seriously, not trying to criticize you).  Maybe it would
be better to use email for this sort of corrective activity?
mooncat
response 301 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 15:49 UTC 2001

re #300- as Meg mentioned in #299- she makes fun of the people she 
knows. I think that were I to point out something she mistyped, or 
mispelled, she would find some amusement in it (especially if the typo 
resulted in a real word) and vice versa. 

Now if the two people involved didn't know each other, and didn't have 
a friendship where they kidded and teased each other, it wouldn't be as 
enjoyable. 

Make sense?
eeyore
response 302 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 04:19 UTC 2001

I thought I was pretty clear.....

If Anne made a mistake, I'd laugh long and hard at her, and expect her to do
the same to me.  I wouldn't do it you you, since I don't know you.  Anne, I
used to live with her....Like I said...only people that I know, and that know
me.
keesan
response 303 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 13:52 UTC 2001

My question was, do you think other readers find this sort of teasing
interesting to read in agora, or would email be better for it?  Actually,
other readers ought to answer this question.
eeyore
response 304 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 16:33 UTC 2001

Um, out of reality, not everything that is posted is posted for "being
interesting".  If that were the case, a good 2/3 of Agora would be gone, as
well as large chunks of a lot of other things.
senna
response 305 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 18:23 UTC 2001

A large number of grexers have known each other for years, and when you
communicate with someone for that long amusing bits of humor are bound to come
up every now and then.  Some do it more (Anne and Meg), some do it less
(rcurl), but we all still do it.  Banter is fun and generally a good way to
keep things lighthearted.
carson
response 306 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 03:09 UTC 2001

I find myself in agreement with Stephen.
senna
response 307 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 08:18 UTC 2001

Shut up, poodlesquirt.  There isn't enough room on this bbs for the both of
us. :)  
carson
response 308 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 23:35 UTC 2001

I still find myself in agreement with Stephen.  ;)
brighn
response 309 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 16:54 UTC 2001

would both of you just shut the Hell up and let me talk?
richard
response 310 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 05:05 UTC 2001

Regarding the fact that jp2 lives out of town.  I agree the bylaws should
be amended to allow for out of towners to serve on the board and 
attend meetings by teleconference.  But also to be sure, it is better if
the board members know each other in person.  No matter how often you deal
with someone online, you dont get the complete sense of him/her unless
you meet them in person.

I suggest the bylaws be amended to allow for those living out of town to
serve on the board and attend by video or phone conferencing, BUT also
require that every board member must attend at least one board meeting per
year in person.  Failure to show up in person at a meeting at least once
during a calendar year should require the board to vote on whether to
remove that member.  I think even jp2 could make it to a2 once a year if
it was important enough to him.


jp2
response 311 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 05:08 UTC 2001

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richard
response 312 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 05:11 UTC 2001

plus there's the question of whether an out of town member conferencing
by phone constitutes "face to face" meeting.  it may be that an out of
town member couldnt vote according to the bylaws unless it was via
video conferencing, which would I guess be one legal definition of "face to
face"
brighn
response 313 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 17:20 UTC 2001

(if a cluase is put in to allow/require out-of-towners to teelconference in,
might I suggest that explicit language be put in that stipulates it's at that
BOD's expense, not Grex's? This is Richard's idea and Jamie's candidacy we're
talking about... >=} )
richard
response 314 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 17:55 UTC 2001

thats a good point too.  also, the board would have to meet at a place 
that could facilitate telephone or video conferencing.  
brighn
response 315 of 335: Mark Unseen   Nov 5 21:15 UTC 2001

... and I would classify that as an unfair restriction on the Board. This
isn't a major corporation.
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