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brighn
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response 29 of 70:
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Jul 8 04:10 UTC 2002 |
Mm. Jack White of White Stripes started as a drummer, and the lead singer of
Cowboy Mouth is the drummer. Both lesser known bands, granted, but neither
lacking in musical skills.
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jaklumen
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response 30 of 70:
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Jul 8 07:10 UTC 2002 |
resp:25 From what I've seen of Phil Collins, I'd count him as a
percussionist. He uses more goodies than just drums.
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brighn
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response 31 of 70:
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Jul 8 13:38 UTC 2002 |
#30> Mm. I think the drummer/percussionist distinction was introduced so that
any musically talented drummers that were offered as examples could be
reclassified as percussionists. Unconvincing.
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jaklumen
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response 32 of 70:
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Jul 9 09:12 UTC 2002 |
Are you a musician, dude?
Ummmmmmm.. I didn't think so.
Granted, I know there are plenty of talented "drummers" out there,
really. The real point is that the notion of a "drummer," particularly
a typical, fledgling rock 'n roll drummer, is a rather limiting one.
The really talented ones, I'm sure, know how to play more than just a
drum set, and honestly, Phil Collins is a shining example. That
instrument family includes a lot more than just drums, and just because
a drum set is a standard piece to a typical band, it doesn't mean
that's all they play.
Karen Carpenter of the Carpenters was a drummer, too.
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brighn
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response 33 of 70:
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Jul 9 12:45 UTC 2002 |
I'm not a professional musician. I didn't realize that a recording contract
was needed to have an opinion on these matters.
I am fairly proficient at the dumbek and the djimbe. Playing a drum kit takes
more talent than playing the tambourine, which would qualify one as being a
"percussionist" (the tambourine is what they give people with no musical
instrument skills whatsoever, like Davey Jones).
(And next time you answer a question which you don't know the answer to, maybe
you should give the person you're asking an opportunity to answer before
answering for them.)
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slynne
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response 34 of 70:
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Jul 9 15:21 UTC 2002 |
doood. you better just stop dissing on Davey Jones *right now*
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jor
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response 35 of 70:
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Jul 9 15:59 UTC 2002 |
Yea but it's OK to make drummer jokes.
There a SNL skit where they are having an auction
of Beatle memorabilia. Like, the *actual* toothbrush
used by Paul McCartney one weekend in Amsterdam.
And the people bid it up, every item is selling,
until they bring out, on a handcart, a cardboard
cutout of Ringo.
"This is the *actual* drummer used by the Beatles on all
of their concerts and recordings" and people
are already fumbling for their coats and getting up
to leave. The drummer joke.
On second glance that has to be the most
*lifelike* cardboard cutout anyone has ever
seen, until it totally deadpans
"Live, from New York . ."
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brighn
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response 36 of 70:
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Jul 9 17:59 UTC 2002 |
Was it meant to be a cutout, or was it meant to be Ringo himself, frozen in
place? I didn't see the sketch.
I'm not sure that qualifies as a drummer joke, though, as much as a joke on
the idea that Ringo was the talentless one (Starr did write a few songs, but
they were definitely among the least favorite... did he write "Act Naturally,"
or just sing it?).
Anyway, as far as musician sketches on SNL go, that one reminded me of when
Paul Simon was host, and while he's being interviewed, all these people come
up to him: the guy who sat in the front row, third from the left, at his
Madison Square Garden concert in 77, that sort of person, and Paul Simon
rattles off all these details. The sketch ends with Art Garfunkel (the real
one, in a cameo) walking by and greeting him, only to have Paul say, "I'm
sorry, do I know you?"
#34> Davey's cute. Davey's got a really pretty singing voice. Davey can't play
any instruments, so they gave him a tambourine, when they finally broke down
and let the other guys play. (That's not a dis on Davey, since he hadn't been
hired as a musician in the first place... two of them were
actors-turned-musicians [Davey and... Peter?], two of them were musicians
turned-actors [Michael, definitely, and maybe Micky?: I really don't remember
which of Peter and Micky were musicians, although Micky did like his MOOG].)
Ironically, or maybe predictably, the most musical of the Monkees left the
band the soonest.
(The online site I found informs me that Peter and Michael were the musicians,
with Michael even selling compositions before and during the show. Linda
Ronstadt's "Different Drum" [1968] was a Nesmith tune.)
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oval
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response 37 of 70:
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Jul 9 18:40 UTC 2002 |
stop dissing ringo too!
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brighn
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response 38 of 70:
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Jul 9 19:19 UTC 2002 |
ringo's my favorite of the Beatles. I can dis him if I want.
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slynne
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response 39 of 70:
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Jul 9 20:39 UTC 2002 |
Oh man. Next thing you know and he'll start dissing on John Denver or
something.
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brighn
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response 40 of 70:
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Jul 9 21:16 UTC 2002 |
now that you mention it...
John Denver's performance in "Oh God!" defined 70s geek chic, and made
Christians look like hopeless dweebs.
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slynne
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response 41 of 70:
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Jul 9 21:23 UTC 2002 |
But he sang that song about his grandma's featherbed which totally made
up for that.
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brighn
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response 42 of 70:
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Jul 9 22:12 UTC 2002 |
But then he went and skied into a tree.
Oh wait, that was Sonny Bono.
Wrong ultra-wholesome 70s geek. My bad.
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scott
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response 43 of 70:
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Jul 9 22:30 UTC 2002 |
The SNL sketch had them trying to auction off Ringo Starr himself (he was that
week's guest host) and getting no bids.
Playing a drum kit well is quite tricky. It doesn't help we're looking for
good (up to our level) players, either. Nor is there much money. Hmm, that's
probably why we have problems.
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mcnally
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response 44 of 70:
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Jul 9 22:32 UTC 2002 |
re #36: I believe "Act Naturally" was a cover of a Buck Owens tune..
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bru
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response 45 of 70:
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Jul 10 04:07 UTC 2002 |
denver plowed his plane into the ocean, not his ski's into a tree.
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brighn
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response 46 of 70:
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Jul 10 04:15 UTC 2002 |
#44> Yes, looking it up, it was written by Johnny Russell and first recorded
by Buck Owens. I was actually going to mention "Octopus Garden" instead, but
I thought that was a Lennon/McCartney tune. It turns out *that* is a Starkey
composition.
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mrmat
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response 47 of 70:
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Jul 10 10:49 UTC 2002 |
Ringo has always been underrated as a drummer. He just wasn't flashy.
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brighn
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response 48 of 70:
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Jul 10 13:32 UTC 2002 |
Ringo wasn't flashy? Oh yeah, demure little Ringo Starr, the only one with
a stage name, and such an unassuming stage name at that. Heh. Ok. ;}
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mrmat
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response 49 of 70:
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Jul 10 13:37 UTC 2002 |
His playing style wasn't flashy, like a Keith Moon or John Bonham.
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brighn
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response 50 of 70:
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Jul 10 13:57 UTC 2002 |
That I'll buy. He was a very low-key drummer. Actually, I'd say he was
probbaly doing closer to what the job of a drummer (as opposed to a
percussionist) really is: Provide an interesting but non-intrusive beat.
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jaklumen
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response 51 of 70:
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Jul 10 17:30 UTC 2002 |
Yeah. I forget which Beatle movie it was (either Help or Hard Day's
Night) in which it starts putting in a drum beat to another act.
Pretty talented.
resp:36 Yes, I saw VH1's "Behind the Music." Peter Tork had been a
Greenwich Village musician (i.e. East Coast hippie), and Michael
Nesmith was indeed a folk composer-musician. They explained that
Nesmith was really frustrated by the corporate machine, punching the
wall when "Sugar Sugar" was offered to them (quite ironically, it was
given to a band comprised of comic strip characters). It was
interesting to see "Video Killed the Radio Star" as well, in which they
explain Nesmith's contribution to the launch of MTV.
Nesmith wasn't the most polished and proficient of composers; a lot of
his Monkee tunes suffer in the light of what studio wizards were doing,
and he wasn't a consistent hitmaker. But he did have some talent.
However, he didn't need to worry about money-- he was the heir of the
fortune of the woman who invented paper clips.
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slynne
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response 52 of 70:
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Jul 10 18:01 UTC 2002 |
She didnt invent paper clips, she invented White Out or Liquid Paper (I
forget which)
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brighn
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response 53 of 70:
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Jul 10 18:19 UTC 2002 |
Michael Nesmith's mother invented Liquid Paper.
The only Monkees movie, Head, deals almost exclusively with the issue of them
being little more than a commercial product. Its surrealism reminds me a lot
of Nesmith's later work, including the much more acerbic but about as strange
Estevez cult classic, "Repo Man."
The life of a repo man is *always* intense.
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