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mcnally
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response 29 of 56:
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Jun 13 23:03 UTC 2000 |
In my overly oblique way, I guess what I was trying to say was that
I think the criteria you're judging with are nearly as biased by
fin-de-siecle (sorry, I've just always wanted to use that in a sentence)
considerations as the polls which "prove" that Celine Dion is the
World's Greatest Artist.
Sure, from our standpoint here in the year 2000 it naturally seems like
the 20th century was all about technology and television and mass-market
multimedia entertainment. But would everyone who lived in the 20th century
necessarily see those as its defining themes?
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other
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response 30 of 56:
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Jun 14 00:18 UTC 2000 |
Also Sprach Zarathustra.
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happyboy
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response 31 of 56:
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Jun 14 00:27 UTC 2000 |
troublesome waters: Maybelle Carter
pretty much sums up the century.
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brighn
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response 32 of 56:
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Jun 14 14:20 UTC 2000 |
I would take as "representative" of a time period a work which demonstrates
the culmination of that time period, so it would always be weighted toward
the end of that time period.
I don't think that's bias. If you want to say we're arguing semantics, fine,
we're arguing semantics, but the culmination of the 20th C. -- the significant
cultural differences between 1901 and 1999 -- were technology, TV, and
mass-market multimedia.
Actually, another significant theme of the 20th C. is the shift in war from
an us-v-them to an us-v-HIM... that is, the creation of true "villains" in
war: Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Hussein, Idi Amin, Noriega. But nobody's
mentioned any songs about war, or about that cultural shift.
And technically, it's fin-de-mille. ;}
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happyboy
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response 33 of 56:
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Jun 14 14:24 UTC 2000 |
"Let's Have a War" by FEAR
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orinoco
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response 34 of 56:
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Jun 14 23:16 UTC 2000 |
Something from the beginning of the century can be just as representative
of all the trends brighn mentions as something from the end of the
century. Louis Armstrong, for instance: cultural ubiquity (everyone's
heard that voice, whether they know it or not), relevance to other forms
of entertainment (the combination of show tunes with blues, plus a few
movie appearances and lots of playing in brothels), poppy, lack of
historical depth (even when Armstrong became drafted as the unofficial
"ambassador of American music," he refused to be dignified or "historical"
about it; he just took it as an excuse to travel a bit more). The
combination of blues and mainstream popular music which Armstrong
represents is the beginning of a trend which has continued throughout the
century and given birth to the two larges pop music styles, jazz and rock
and roll.
Armstrong doesn't have quite the surreal black-to-white crossover effect that
Kid Rock has, but he was one of the first to bring black music to a white
audience in a form other than minstrel shows and vaudeville acts. Does that
count?
I'm not sure if I'd actually vote for Armstrong as "most representative
musician." I'm just using him as an example to point out that someone can
be representative of this century by presaging and influencing coming changes,
and not necessarily just by summing those changes up. (At least by Paul's
criteria from resp:28)
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happyboy
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response 35 of 56:
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Jun 14 23:26 UTC 2000 |
"Oh, Death!" Dock Boggs :)
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brighn
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response 36 of 56:
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Jun 15 02:31 UTC 2000 |
Valid points, ori.
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tpryan
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response 37 of 56:
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Jun 17 15:14 UTC 2000 |
You're So Vain (you probably think this song is about you)
- Carly Simon
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lumen
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response 38 of 56:
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Jun 20 02:35 UTC 2000 |
I will put in a vote for Also Sprach Zarathrusta.. Stanley Kubrick's
screenplay of Arthur C. Clarke's novel _2001_ did a *lot* to keep that
Strauss tune remembered.
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brighn
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response 39 of 56:
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Jun 20 04:37 UTC 2000 |
(Also Sprach Zarathustra would be disqualified inmy book in light ofits being
written in 1895-6).
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other
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response 40 of 56:
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Jun 20 17:49 UTC 2000 |
I'd say its impact in the 20th century far exceeds that in the 19th...
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brighn
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response 41 of 56:
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Jun 20 19:59 UTC 2000 |
oh but that's a different line, then... what musical piece had the most
INFLUENCE on 20th C. music? That would most certainly be something written
before 1940.
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other
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response 42 of 56:
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Jun 22 06:32 UTC 2000 |
#0 does not specifically ask about music written in the 20th century...
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brighn
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response 43 of 56:
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Jun 23 23:10 UTC 2000 |
#0 and #40 have 39 posts betwixt representing various drifts and modifications
to the question, and new questions raised.
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albaugh
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response 44 of 56:
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Jun 24 22:46 UTC 2000 |
I'm afraid that most people couldn't bring themselves to listen to the entire
A.S.Z. - it runs 15-20 minutes. People hear the opening "fanfare" and think
"that's the piece". That's the same mentality that thinks by hearing the
fanfare of the last section of the William Tell Overture "that's the piece".
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brighn
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response 45 of 56:
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Jun 24 22:54 UTC 2000 |
or the first four notes of Betthoven's fifth?
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gelinas
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response 46 of 56:
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Jun 24 23:02 UTC 2000 |
Or Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi and think that's all of Carmina Barundi.
It's a common phenomenon.
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albaugh
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response 47 of 56:
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Jun 24 23:11 UTC 2000 |
"That is the piece,
that is the piece,
that is the piece,
t-h-a-t's the piece."
:-)
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other
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response 48 of 56:
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Jun 25 07:27 UTC 2000 |
I own a recording of the entire A.S.Z.
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orinoco
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response 49 of 56:
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Jun 26 03:35 UTC 2000 |
If you mean the one by Orff, it's Carmina Burana. Although I suppose a
compilation of African nationalist songs might be able to pass under the title
of Carmina Burundi.
I don't wanna think about it, really.
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gypsi
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response 50 of 56:
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Jun 26 04:10 UTC 2000 |
<laughs really hard>
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gelinas
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response 51 of 56:
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Jun 26 04:23 UTC 2000 |
I can't spell, and I can't count. Maybe I should just give up. :(
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orinoco
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response 52 of 56:
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Jun 26 15:57 UTC 2000 |
Don't give up. Then I'd have to find someone else to mock. :)
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dbratman
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response 53 of 56:
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Jun 27 23:07 UTC 2000 |
If only A.S.Z. did run 15-20 minutes. Actually it's about 50 minutes of
(imho) tedium after that wonderful opening.
The 20th-century piece of classical music with the most influence on the
rest of the 20th century was surely _Le Sacre du Printemps_ (The Rite of
Spring) by Igor Stravinsky.
If we go back further for influence, where do we stop? When Oogamagoog
the Neanderthal first banged on a hollow log, surely that had an
immeasurable influence on all subsequent music.
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