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gracel
response 29 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 22 18:08 UTC 2001

Appliance that I think we forgot to mention is the crockpot -- we use it maybe
once a month, to cook my pot roast (no vegetables, just meat).
keesan
response 30 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 00:48 UTC 2001

My mother did hers in the pressure cooker with potatoes and carrots - this
is all she used the pressure cooker for.
We made bread this time with warm water, honey and yeast dissolved in the
water before adding on top of the flour, but no gluten, machine set to Light.
This gave us a full half loaf of unburnt bread.  Is there some reason we
cannot double the flour, or at least use 3 cups and the medium cycle?
Jim thinks the keep warm cycle is so that the bread will not get soggy before
you remember to take it out.
md
response 31 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 13:16 UTC 2001

Forgot to mention the crockpot.

Apropos bread machines: Ours has a small vented compartment in which 
you can throw extras such as candied fruit.  We've never used it, but I 
once made the mistake of putting my nose right over the vent slots in 
order to smell that nice rising-bread smell during the rising cycle and 
got a snootful of some weapons-grade yeast gas.  Unbelievably painful.  
What *is* that stuff?
i
response 32 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 15:24 UTC 2001

Yeast gas???  Could be CO2 - was the pain similar to burping through your
nose after drinking carbonated beverages?

Bread machines have fairly definite limits on how much dough (roughly
measured by cups of flour in same) they can handle.  Experiment with care.
keesan
response 33 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 17:21 UTC 2001

The fruit dispenser sounds like a bleach dispenser.
We will try increasing 1/4 cup at a time.  What is the symptom of overload?
2.25 cups produces a loaf half as large as the pan (not half the size of a
regular loaf as the pan is only a half-loaf size).
I suppose we could also mix all the ingredients together by hand and let them
sit for an hour before turning on the machine so it would rise more, but then
why use the machine at all?  I suspect this one is simply not clever enough
to make whole grain bread.
orinoco
response 34 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 19:39 UTC 2001

"Yeast gas" might also have some alcohol vapor; doesn't yeast produce alcohol
as a waste product?  A hot shot of alcohol up the nose would be painful
enough.
keesan
response 35 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 21:20 UTC 2001

Jim says this time he put in 2.5 cups flour, and more water, and then he
'threw in breakfast' - so we will have oatmeal bread if it works.
scott
response 36 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 21:38 UTC 2001

I don't think there could be enough alcohol directly from yeast to cause
somebody an inhilation problem, but maybe we're dealing with a hypersensitive
nose here.  Yeast can live in up to 14-15% alcohol (winemaking), but beyond
that you gotta distill.

Here's my usual 1 pound white bread recipe for my Panasonic bread machine:
2 1/4 cups flour
1 teaspoon yeast
1 teaspoon salt
1 tablespoon sugar
1 tablespoon dried milk powder
1 tablespoon oil (I dribble roughly that much olive oil in)
1 cup water
md
response 37 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 14:05 UTC 2001

If my nose is hypersensitive it must run in the family, no pun 
intended.  When I cautioned my son not to get his nose too close to the 
vent he promptly gave the vent a big sniff and five seconds later he 
clutched his face and doubled over in nose-agony.  Whereupon my wife 
decided to see what the menfolk were carrying on about and despite our 
shouted warnings she too suffered the fate.  I guess nasal 
hypersentsitivity is not the only thing that runs in the family, 
although in our defense I must say you wouldn't believe something that 
painful could come from a bread machine no matter how many warnings are 
shouted at you.
i
response 38 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 00:02 UTC 2001

Re: #33
Ask Jim about overload.  (Depending on the design of the machine, it could
be anything from poor mixing of the dough to excessive wear on the moving
parts to the motor burning out.)

Also, you can get a longer cycle with some machines by pulling the plug
some time into their cycle, then restarting later (perhaps after the thing
forgot where it was, maybe restarting a different cycle).  If & how this'll
work depends on details of your machine & recipe (probably take lots of
experimenting).
keesan
response 39 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 03:46 UTC 2001

I think this one starts all over if you unplug it.  We only wanted to let it
rise longer, not knead it again (which would make it smaller again).  A 2 1/4
hour cycle probably works for white bread.  The dough mixes ok but it simply
does not have long enough to rise.  It also does not seem to keep the rising
dough warm and the kitchen is not all that warm  now.

The machine is a lot quicker to clean up than a bowl and spoon and pan.
Non-stick coatings are better than the Teflon my mother used to use.

It is not a good idea to add leftover wet oatmeal to a bread recipe - the
machine does not seem to overheat, but you get bread pudding.
keesan
response 40 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 23:43 UTC 2001

Today while biking home Jim found another Welbilt bread machine which differs
from mine in having a 12 hour timer and a little LED screen instead of lights
for setting the baking time.  It also differs in missing its blade.  A couple
hours of searching found me a site that sells these blades for $10-20
depending on the model.  Kiwanis sells the same machine complete for that.
So we will wait until one of our machines wears out and transfer the blade.
The machines are about $90 new, I read.  They are popular among people with
celiac disease who make gluten-free bread by adding eggs and xantham gum to
potato starch and rice and chickpea flour.  And who feel stigmatized by having
to eat round instead of square sandwiches, believe it or not.  Someone else
wrote in that the 2 pound loaf was too large but you could freeze half.
scott
response 41 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 01:01 UTC 2001

What was the website, Sindi?  I still need a belt for my Panasonic.
keesan
response 42 of 66: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 14:36 UTC 2001

The particular site that I found only sells Welbilt and one other brand, but
I ran across several sites that sell appliance parts online.  Try a search
on bread machine + part + Panasonic or appliance parts.  Or see if your
owner's manual has a currently working phone numbers.  (Ours was
disconnected).  Or call Sears parts and ask them for a phone number for
Panasonic parts.   Or try the Panasonic website.  
keesan
response 43 of 66: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 18:44 UTC 2001

Jim tried out the machine he found at the curb, with the timer. It tells him
how much time is left to finish and light med and dark are 7 min apart in
cooking time.  He used the dough blade from the other machine and the same
recipe and procedure and got bread that actually rose and had the texture fos
omething other than a wet sponge. It also did not burn on the outside (perhaps
because it was 3.5 instead of 2.5 inches high in the pot) and tasted better.
So either they improved the technology or the other machine has something
wrong with it (maybe itw as supposed to keep warm during the rise and does
not?).
The pot and gasket on the found machine are beat up so he will rob them from
the other machine and then attempt to take the other one apart and get it
working with computer control so that he can run each cycle as long as he
wants.  Has anyone experience with this sort of thing?
keesan
response 44 of 66: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 22:34 UTC 2001

Jim has come to the conclusion that the reason the first bread machine was
baking unleavened bread is the yeast was sort of old, but he still wants to
take it apart to computerize it as an experiment.  I should go buy the other
one at Kiwanis if I want to make bread at my place, he says.  
keesan
response 45 of 66: Mark Unseen   Dec 14 00:01 UTC 2001

Kiwanis did not have any bread machines for sale (they get them in often) but
two former electronics customers heard me ask for broken bread machines and
dropped one off on Jim's porch.  He found a blown thermal fuse and is trying
to replace it with something similar (different max temp and physical size
since nobody in town carries the right part) from the popcorn popper.  This
one will make bread in either 3 or 4 hours rather than 2 hours 15 min, which
should give the whole wheat dough a better chance of approaching the top of
the pan.  He has carved a cast aluminum dough blade for the curbside find.
I am supposed to order another 50 pounds of flour.
        The blender and juicer just sit there unused.  The idea was to make
tofu with them.
keesan
response 46 of 66: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 00:35 UTC 2002

Jim reports that his latest bread machine, which he fixed by replacing the
thermal fuse with one from the popcorn popper (which is for a higher
temperature) seems to have burnt up the motor (or maybe the fuse again?) and
it made a bad smell and stopped working.  He thinks maybe it does not like
his heavy dough and he should have added more water, but he used the usual
recipe.  Has not taken it apart the see what really happened.
scott
response 47 of 66: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 03:47 UTC 2002

A bad motor may have caused the original fuse to blow.
keesan
response 48 of 66: Mark Unseen   Jan 16 15:45 UTC 2002

Jim thinks only if it was overloaded.  Too stiff a mix?  What other appliance
might have a motor that would fit a bread machine?
i
response 49 of 66: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 03:50 UTC 2002

Another bread machine (with something different broken)?  My impression
is that those are rather specialized stepper motors.
keesan
response 50 of 66: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 17:37 UTC 2002

Maybe he could learn to rewind the motor coil?  He already rebuilt a
refrigerator starter coil (just cleaned and adjusted it).
jaklumen
response 51 of 66: Mark Unseen   Apr 30 11:17 UTC 2002

resp:14  I wish I could find a yogurt maker.  Around here, they are 
very difficult to find.  I wanted my mother to give us her Yogurta, 
but she said no way-- it had sentimental value, and you can't get it 
in the States.  (She got it in Spain.)  I guess we are going to have 
to beg my grandparents (her parents).

Our veggie/rice steamer, our toaster, and our waffle iron seem to get 
the most work.  Sometimes the electric teakettle is used.  Everything 
else is used pretty sparsely.

I used to use my Juiceman more, but I've fallen out of the habit.
slynne
response 52 of 66: Mark Unseen   Apr 30 14:18 UTC 2002

I am pretty sure you can get a yogurt maker if you really want one. 
Check out http://www.lucyskitchenshop.com/yogourmet.html
keesan
response 53 of 66: Mark Unseen   Apr 30 15:16 UTC 2002

They tend to show up at all the yard sales and rummage sales here for 
$5, in fact I think we even saw one at the curb recently.  Any oven with a
pilot light would work but you say WA state is all electric.  YOu can also
try making yogurt in a closed box with a light bulb for heat (a styrofoam
cooler might work, with the pot of yogurt-to-be in it).
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