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klg
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response 285 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:11 UTC 2006 |
As a wise man once said, if you think health care is expensive now,
just wait until it's free.
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nharmon
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response 286 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:12 UTC 2006 |
Are we talking about what basically ammounts to a supersized private
property community that is based on religion? Its quite surprising that
Richard is willing to use the government to deny these people their
right to free exercise of their religion.
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twenex
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response 287 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:14 UTC 2006 |
Klg:
(a). Nationalized healthcare (or nationalized anything else) isn't "free",
since EVERYONE pays for it.
(b). You really expect anyone with half a braincell to believe you'd know a
wise man if one walked up to you and exploded?
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tod
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response 288 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:16 UTC 2006 |
Richard never heard of Wisconsin vs. Yoder, apparently.
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twenex
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response 289 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:17 UTC 2006 |
The establishment of religion forbidden is.
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nharmon
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response 290 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:20 UTC 2006 |
Not exactly Jeff. The state establishment is religion is forbidden. A
private entity is free to establish religion, and has a right to
exercise it.
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kingjon
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response 291 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:21 UTC 2006 |
"The establishment of religion" *by Congress* "forbidden is."
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twenex
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response 292 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:22 UTC 2006 |
(I know; i was just playing on the "Yoder", bit. Maybe you have to speak a
non-rhotic accent to get it.)
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tod
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response 293 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:22 UTC 2006 |
Thanks Yoda ;)
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nharmon
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response 294 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:22 UTC 2006 |
Oh, I get it now.
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slynne
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response 295 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:32 UTC 2006 |
When I first read about Monahans Catholic town, it reminded me of a
former Mnetter Sean Hastings and his idea of "seascaping". I have this
weird feeling that Monahan would probably love the idea of a community
floating out in international waters where he would make up all the
rules he wants.
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twenex
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response 296 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:34 UTC 2006 |
IIRC, Pennsylvania was born as a colony for Puritans.
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tod
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response 297 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:44 UTC 2006 |
Well, I'll testify to the fact that PA is now full of horndogs.
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richard
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response 298 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:57 UTC 2006 |
re #283, jep, suppose there was a religion that had as one of its basic tenets
that it is okay to molest children. And suppose that the mega-zillionaire
founder of that religion said, "I'm going to build my own town in Florida,
where all the residents of the town will be of my religion, and where will
molest our children as we please" This would be just a people living in a
town where there laws are based on religion right?
Not in this country. The Bill of Rights applies to every square foot of the
land in these United States, and if you live in this country, you must honor
the laws of the land.
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kingjon
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response 299 of 526:
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Mar 2 20:59 UTC 2006 |
Bad example -- that's something that's against the law, not just religious. I
can see no guideline for Constitutional interpretation that forbids the plan
for Ave Maria, FL, that does not also forbid churches, period.
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tod
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response 300 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:13 UTC 2006 |
re #298
, suppose there was a religion that had as one of its basic tenets
that it is okay to molest children.
We call that Roman Catholicism.
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nharmon
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response 301 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:17 UTC 2006 |
Richard, the bill of rights applies to the government. It is a law
saying what the government is not allowed to do. It is not a law that
says what individual people are not allowed to do.
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richard
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response 302 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:18 UTC 2006 |
you don't make exceptions to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. You
don't get to build your own town in the United States and get to eliminate
the separation of church and state there. That is against the law of our
land, just as child molesting is.
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richard
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response 303 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:19 UTC 2006 |
nharmon the Bill of Rights spells out INDIVIDUAL rights. It says YOU have
the right to freedom of speech, freedom of religion .etc In order for you
to have those rights, the government of any state, town or community CANNOT
infringe upon those rights or place any restrictions on those rights.
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nharmon
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response 304 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:29 UTC 2006 |
Yes there are exceptions to the Bill of Rights, Richard. Lets name them
shall we? Compelling state interest, and actions of individuals.
I think what this guy is talking about as a town is really a supersized
private property community.
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richard
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response 305 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:35 UTC 2006 |
The Fourteenth Amendment to the Bill of Rights states in part:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges
or immunities of citizens of the United States"
This means that noone, not Monaghan or anyone else, can form their own
state or community and use the powers of that state, town or community to
abridge or deny the privileges and immunities GUARANTEED to all citizens
of the United States under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
He can't use religion as an excuse to create a community where these
guaranteed rights are not in effect.
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cyklone
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response 306 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:37 UTC 2006 |
Natey, your frivolous lawsuits claim is a false meme. Lawsuits are in the
single digits when compared to overal medical costs. Finding one story about
a suit you don't like doesn't prove your point. Find some real cites if you
want to be taken seriously.
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marcvh
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response 307 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:45 UTC 2006 |
It's a natural result of the fact that you don't generally see a news
story about a case where a doctor does commit malpractice, resulting in
the serious injury or death of a patient, but no lawsuit follows for
whatever reason (nobody alive left to file it, family full of cowards
who are scared to talk to lawyers, etc.)
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tod
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response 308 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:48 UTC 2006 |
re #305
You're using the amendment to give slaves freedom as an argument against a
HOA? Chill out, d00d.
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richard
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response 309 of 526:
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Mar 2 21:51 UTC 2006 |
re #308 uh no, I was referring to the 14th amendment. The amendment that
repealed slavery was the 13th amendment.
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