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response 28 of 122:
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Dec 18 01:26 UTC 2006 |
Re #26: 30 * 1024 = 30,720 bytes/sec
30,720 x 8 = 245,760 bits/sec ~= 246 kilobits per second
of payload data. I made no attempt to guess the overhead,
but 384 kbits/sec sounds entirely reasonable to me.
Re #27: Earlier I thought you said 30 kbytes/sec, but now
you say 30 Kbit (which isn't a sensible measurement in any
case). Keep in mind that during downloads, the bottleneck
need not be at your end. You could have a gigabit
connection to the Internet, but if the chap at the other
end only has ISDN BRI, his upstream speed isn't going to
exceed 128 kbits/sec (discounting any software
compression) and no amount of improvement at your end can
significantly change that.
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response 29 of 122:
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Dec 18 01:43 UTC 2006 |
Ooops. In my reply to #27, I meant to say 30 Kbytes/sec, not 30
kbytes/sec.
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mcnally
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response 30 of 122:
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Dec 18 01:57 UTC 2006 |
In your mind, what does the capital "K" mean? I ordinarily
would assume you were just mis-capitalizing the metric prefix
abbreviation representing "kilo".
Are these Kelvin bytes?
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cross
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response 31 of 122:
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Dec 18 02:14 UTC 2006 |
Regarding #28; It depends on how many bits are in a kilobit. If one takes
it to be 1024, then the 1024's would just cancel out and you've have a
240kbit/sec. You are clearly taking a `kilobit' to mean 1000 bits.
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ball
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response 32 of 122:
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Dec 18 03:06 UTC 2006 |
One Kilobyte is 1,024 bytes. One kilobit is 1,000 bits.
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cross
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response 33 of 122:
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Dec 18 03:09 UTC 2006 |
Hmm.
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keesan
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response 34 of 122:
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Dec 18 03:36 UTC 2006 |
The computer which downloaded at the library (from opera.com) at 30 per
second, and in which the orinoco Linksys card does not work at al in linux
but works fine in Win98, won't work in Win98 with two hardware modems, 56K
and 33K (per second?) that work in another computer adn also work on this
computer in linux. One can't open port, the other says no dial tone. ???
Another laptop also works online in linux but not Win98, and wont' work with
a different linksys card in Win98 (wireless). Looks like you need to buy
sefverAL PCMCIA CARDS AND EXPERIMENT UNTIL ONE WORKS, THEN RETURN THE REST.
tHEY also keep changing versions, so if Ver 1 works ver 2 won't.
Excuse typos, downloading a 6.5MB file to test a 2wire card with.
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response 35 of 122:
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Dec 18 06:10 UTC 2006 |
56k and 33k (lower case k signifies 1,000 as in km, kg etc.)
Are they PC-Card (16-bit PCMCIA) modems?
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ball
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response 36 of 122:
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Dec 18 06:13 UTC 2006 |
make that 33.6 kbits/sec ;-)
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keesan
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response 37 of 122:
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Dec 18 17:04 UTC 2006 |
Yes, pcmcia modems. A winmodem sort of works in another laptop - it dials
(usually, sometimes can't find the dial tone), connects (usually), but can't
access any websites or ping. The 33K hardware modem does the same, but in
linux it works perfectly.
Last night I tried to test three cardbus modems in Win98. Netlux driver was
not at driverguide, and netlux driver downloads requires a password. 2wire
driver not available, I found one for the same model number of a Sceptre
(6.5MB download, one hour) but Win98 won't accept it. Had the 30MB CD for
a Linksys 54G but it refuses to install on my computer unless I give it
Internet Explorer 5.5, and the Adobe Acrobat on the same CD refuses to install
without IE 5.01. (I think I have 5.0 in Win98, maybe 4.5). Why does one need
ANY browser to install a pdf reader or network card software????? I would
not pay a penny for anything from Linksys. The non-cardbus card won't work
at all on one computer in linux (unresolved symbols) and it crashes on the
other computer with a 2.2 kernel.
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ball
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response 38 of 122:
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Dec 18 17:17 UTC 2006 |
It's a shame that MS Windows is such a pain when it comes to
standard modems. I'm surprised that anyone would build Card
-bus modems, since PC-Card provides adequate bandwidth.
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keesan
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response 39 of 122:
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Dec 18 17:36 UTC 2006 |
Win98 would not dial with a Winmodem in one computer, and would dial and not
access websites with a Winmodem in another computer (both laptops) besides
having problems with the hardware modem that worked in linux (could not open
port). Com2 was disabled in BIOS, modem was Com2 (ttyS1 in linux). I don't
think these winmodems are cardbus, the wireless network cards were. 11Mbits
per second 16-bit or 32-bit, so why cardbus for those?
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ball
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response 40 of 122:
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Dec 18 19:53 UTC 2006 |
That's a good question. PC-Card would seem to provide enough
bandwidth for 802.11b. Perhaps vendors anticipate host
computers that feature Cardbus slots but lack PC-Card?
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keesan
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response 41 of 122:
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Dec 18 20:36 UTC 2006 |
I thought anything that took cardbus also took 16-bit pcmcia.
The 56K modem that would not work in Windows appears to be a hardware modem
that also won't work in linux, but came labelled '56K okay'. That may only
mean the computer found it (at Kiwanis). Combo card ethernet and modem. I
also got two other combo cards one with dead ethernet one with dead modem.
this was too good to be working.
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ball
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response 42 of 122:
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Dec 18 21:13 UTC 2006 |
I think all the Cardbus slots I've seen were also PC-Card
(16-bit PCMCIA) compatible, but that may not be the case for
ever.
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keesan
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response 43 of 122:
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Dec 19 01:20 UTC 2006 |
The new in the box Belkin adaptor that fits into a PCI slot and lets you put
in pcmcia cards does NOT take cardbus cards. It also crashes Win98. Made
in 2001. Jim is trying it in DOS then linux, in his computer with no ISA
slots, so we won't need to hook up a laptop computer as gateway (or reprogram
a router to pick up a wireless signal and pass it along).
Today I stuck an older non-cardbus wired ethernet card into a Win98 laptop
(the card works in linux there) and plugged into a router and ran ipconfig
and could ping the router. Then I put another wired card into the linux
computer, plugged that into the same (working) router and did udhcpc. I could
ping between the two computers! (Also the router). ping 192.168.1.0 pinged
all three alternately. The router is 192.168.1.1, the computers 101 (the
first) and 102 (the second). Then I ran telnetd on the linux computer, was
told I need /bin/login which this linux does not have, switched linuxes, did
it again, and could telnet from Windows to Linux. I could not log in as root
(I need to edit /etc/securetty to add ttyp0 through 4 to use root on telnet
on four terminals) but I could as user. Since I have no /home it put me into
/root and I could write and save a file, but not use zgv (which cannot be run
as user due to something I forgot how to fix) or mutt (it made very loud
noises in Windows). I should fix it to log in as root.
Then I tried busybox httpd (busybox is a small binary that does the basic
parts of many other things) on linux and tried to access 192.168.1.102 with
Opera and got 404 not found. So I got a bigger (75K) mini_httpd and could
access linux with Win98 via opera, and download files. But I want to move
files from Win98 to linux and need either a Windows httpd (which may be
included in the 100MB plus of Personal Web Server, or in something even
bigger) or a linux ftpd which might be wu_ftpd which I need to get.
This will let me unload the USB camera to an XP computer then transfer the
files via network cable to the linux computer, which has no USB.
(We have a computer with USB and bad CD-ROM drive, or one with no floppy
drive, and one that won't work with wireless networking in Windows, but the
one without USB does everything properly and is most reliable. Thanks Scott).
Next project is to put linux on someone else's laptop which may already have
XP on it, maybe using qemu and a 5MB linux image file.
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response 44 of 122:
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Dec 19 02:13 UTC 2006 |
It sounds as though you're making useful progress. I suggest
creating a non-root user and using "su" when you need root
privilages. I quite like thttpd, which is a light web server
that is easy to configure and use.
I made some progress myself on Saturday: installed NetBSD
3.1 on a spare PC (500 MHz AMD K6-2, 128 Mbytes RAM, 6 Gbyte
hard disk). I should probably look for a PCI wireless LAN
card to install in that machine.
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keesan
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response 45 of 122:
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Dec 19 16:37 UTC 2006 |
I seem to need root privileges to do much of anything so I have been running
as root for four years with no problems. 'user' could not use zgv, and when
I typed mutt (telnetted with Windows to linux) I got very loud noise.
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response 46 of 122:
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Dec 19 17:04 UTC 2006 |
Literally a loud noise? I think the only noise you're likely
to hear from a telnet session is the bell, but perhaps if
the speakers were cranked up, that might be surprising. If
you have to be root all the time, then your unix is broken.
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gull
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response 47 of 122:
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Dec 19 20:20 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:43: Some of the PCI adapters sold for use with wireless cards
are not actually generic PCMCIA slots, but rather adapters specially
designed for that company's cards.
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keesan
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response 48 of 122:
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Dec 19 21:44 UTC 2006 |
The noise sounded like very loud static. Windows seems to be set up to make
noises on that computer despite my checking off Mute - is there some place
to tell it not to make system noises? My linux is designed to run as root.
svgalib has problems when used as user, so does Xvesa, then I would need
to give myself privileges to save files to various directories. Most of the
time I spend doing administration (adding and modifying programs, compiling,
etc.).
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ball
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response 49 of 122:
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Dec 19 23:10 UTC 2006 |
There is something wrong with the MS Windows machine (either
with the hardware, or with the driver software) if it is
making a loud hash noise while you have mute selected. It
seems as though data that doesn't represent sound is somehow
finding its way to the digital-to-analogue convertor (DAC).
If your Linux is designed to run as root, then I consider
its design broken.
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mcnally
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response 50 of 122:
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Dec 19 23:19 UTC 2006 |
That's the way "Linspire" (formerly "Lindows") is designed to run,
though I doubt that's the distro she's using.
I wouldn't want to run that way, but some people do.
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ball
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response 51 of 122:
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Dec 19 23:23 UTC 2006 |
/me shudders
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keesan
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response 52 of 122:
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Dec 20 01:41 UTC 2006 |
I have the same software on several machines and can easily restore it. I
am root in DOS, why not in linux? Win98 also played all the WIndows noises
at the library despite being muted. How do I turn off Windows noises? I can
turn off online Opera noises.
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