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Grex > Scifi > #110: 1999 Hugo Awards -- Nominations | |
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dbratman
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response 28 of 41:
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Sep 17 00:00 UTC 1999 |
Luke: _All_ awards are nominated essentially by a small group of people,
though not necessarily a clique (which implies a conscious, self-aware
group). I counted three years' worth of Hugo ballots, so I've seen this
in action. But fewer people nominate, or vote, for the Hugo short
fiction awards than for Novel. Nomination, by the way, is a more
critical filtering process than the actual voting, because it selects
from a larger field and because fewer people participate.
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robh
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response 29 of 41:
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Sep 17 17:14 UTC 1999 |
Indeed. I remember the shock I felt a few years back when
the awards were announced and I realized that I had already
read the Hugo-winning short story!
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krj
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response 30 of 41:
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Sep 20 14:12 UTC 1999 |
janc in resp:26 :: Yes, it's true that working actively in the
shorter fiction lengths can run up your award totals. See Harlan
Ellison, who has never to my knowledge written a science fiction
novel.
The Hugos represent the economic structure of the SF field at the
time the awards categories were fixed: in the 1950s, the pulp
magazines were dominant, and there were probably less than 50
full-length novels published each year -- I'm guessing, based on
things I've read in old fanzines.
One might consider revising the awards categories to reflect the
field in 1999: Roll together the Novella and Novellette awards,
and then create some new categories for longer works.
Best Short Novel, Best Big Honking Novel, and Best Trilogy, perhaps?
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otaking
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response 31 of 41:
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Sep 20 19:22 UTC 1999 |
If I remember correctly, Harlan Ellison wrote a novel back in the 50s or 60s
called Doomsman. It's one of those books that he'll rip up if you ever ask
him to sign it.
I have a problem with presenting awards for Best Trilogy. How do we handle
a series whenone or more of the individual books had already won? Would these
series be disqualified?
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mcnally
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response 32 of 41:
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Sep 21 03:39 UTC 1999 |
I'm not sure that Ken was literally suggesting a "best trilogy" award..
I took it as a snide comment on a perpetual trend in the science-fiction
world..
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krj
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response 33 of 41:
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Sep 21 08:26 UTC 1999 |
I'm semi-serious and semi-snide.
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mcnally
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response 34 of 41:
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Sep 21 22:25 UTC 1999 |
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mcnally
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response 35 of 41:
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Sep 21 22:26 UTC 1999 |
aren't we all?
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dbratman
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response 36 of 41:
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Sep 22 17:55 UTC 1999 |
I used to run another award, the Mythopoeic Society Awards, whose rule
is that only stand-alone novels are eligible by themselves; trilogies
(or whatever) have to wait until the entire trilogy is out. This policy
wouldn't work for the Hugos, since it requires an administrator to split
the hairs, which would generate too much carping in the Hugo biz.
Generally, when judging the eligibility of a book I hadn't read, I went
by presentation: if it had a summary of its predecessor, it probably
didn't stand alone, and if the t.p. had something like "Vol. 5 of the
Celts In Space Trilogy", then it certainly didn't. But many books which
don't stand alone are published with no indication of that fact.
If I were revamping the Hugos, which I'm not (especially because it's
impossible to get anything sensible through the Worldcon Business
Meeting), I'd collapse the 4 fiction categories into either 2 (Novel and
Short Fiction) or 3 (Long Novel, Short Novel/Novella, Novelette/Short
Story, though obviously not with those names), replace Professional
Artist with Original Artwork, and split Dramatic Presentation into
Series and Stand-alone.
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otaking
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response 37 of 41:
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Sep 22 20:39 UTC 1999 |
<MIke quickly digresses> I liked the comment on "Vol. 5 of the Celts in Space
TRILOGY" because of the absurd ideas that spring to mind from the title. It
also makes me think of _Mostly_Harmless_, the 5th book in the Hitchhiker's
trilogy.
<digression=off>
I think narrowing down the fiction categories makes sense. Not too many people
think of the distinctions between a short novel, novella and novelette.
Creating a Short Fiction category makes more sense.
I also like the idea of splitting Dramatic Presentation into Series and
Stand-Alone. That would prevent episodes of the same series (like B5) from
competing with each other. Plus,you wouldn't have to examine an episode out
of context and rate it as a stand-alone.
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mcnally
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response 38 of 41:
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Sep 22 22:22 UTC 1999 |
IIRC, "Mostly Harmless" had a blurb on the cover proclaiming it something
like "The Fifth Book in the Increasingly Inaccurately-Named Hitchhiker's
Guide Trilogy"
Do books from the middle of series ever seriously contend for the Hugo?
Most of the winners I can remember either a) stood apart, or b) sparked
a series later but weren't clearly "series books" at the time they won..
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dbratman
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response 39 of 41:
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Sep 27 22:19 UTC 1999 |
Both the first and second books of Orson Scott Card's (hideously awful,
wretched, and nauseating -- but I digress) Ender Wiggin saga won
Hugos. And I think that some of Lois McMaster Bujold's Hugo-winning
novels were from the middle of a series (I haven't read any). The
second and third, but not the first, books of Kim Stanley Robinson's
Mars trilogy won Hugos.
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mcnally
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response 40 of 41:
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Sep 28 18:58 UTC 1999 |
Oh good, I'm not the only one who thought that the "Ender" books were
more than a little gagging..
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mneme
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response 41 of 41:
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Sep 29 16:22 UTC 1999 |
Hi David, long time no talk...
Bujold's books (which, btw, were quite good, but didn't deserve three hugos)
were from a series, though one was basically an outlier. None were of the
level of binding that would have necessitated waiting for them all to be
out before voting on them; all the books have a single plot that begins at
the beginning, and ends (mostly) at the end.
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