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Grex > Coop13 > #75: Member Initative: Restore the Murdered Items | |
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jp2
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response 278 of 424:
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Jan 27 15:16 UTC 2004 |
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mary
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response 279 of 424:
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Jan 27 15:25 UTC 2004 |
"It would be best to avoid an unpleasant situation."
Too late. ;-)
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other
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response 280 of 424:
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Jan 27 15:29 UTC 2004 |
There should be a time lag between the beginnings of the voting periods
for the respective proposals roughly equivalent to the lag between
their originations. I would be in favor of making that lag one day at
minimum, in order to make it easier on the voteadm, and to make it
easier for the membership to treat the two proposals individually.
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jp2
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response 281 of 424:
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Jan 27 15:33 UTC 2004 |
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jp2
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response 282 of 424:
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Jan 27 15:37 UTC 2004 |
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gull
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response 283 of 424:
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Jan 27 15:57 UTC 2004 |
Of course you would, since that would let your proposal override his.
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naftee
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response 284 of 424:
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Jan 27 16:06 UTC 2004 |
heh
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gelinas
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response 285 of 424:
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Jan 27 16:11 UTC 2004 |
According to the minutes of the most recent board meeting, the votes
are to be run concurrently.
The only conflict is if both initiatives pass, which would quite clearly
indicate that the membership wants the items restored but agrees that
the divorce items should not be restored.
The consensus appears to me to be that if both initiatives fail, no action
should be taken.
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remmers
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response 286 of 424:
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Jan 27 18:03 UTC 2004 |
I was busily setting up the vote program this morning and getting
ready to start the voting, since Jamie had given me the go-ahead.
Then I decided to catch up on Coop. Big mistake. :)
According to the rules, once the discussion period on a proposal
is over, the proposer has control over when the vote starts.
From Jamie's response #282 it sounds like he's reconsidering the
timing, so I'll wait until I get clarification from him on that
before starting the voting on his proposal.
However, once the vote starts, there's no turning back....
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jp2
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response 287 of 424:
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Jan 27 18:08 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 288 of 424:
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Jan 27 18:51 UTC 2004 |
:-0
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albaugh
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response 289 of 424:
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Jan 27 23:07 UTC 2004 |
"I'm coming up, so you better get this voting started."
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jep
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response 290 of 424:
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Jan 28 03:23 UTC 2004 |
I apologize for the confusion, but there was really no consensus a
week ago on how this situation ought to be resolved. It appears there
is now. That being the case, I have no objection to the voting on
both items commencing.
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remmers
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response 291 of 424:
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Jan 28 11:56 UTC 2004 |
Okay, I'll start the vote tonight.
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polytarp
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response 292 of 424:
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Jan 28 13:54 UTC 2004 |
Thanks, remmers!
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naftee
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response 293 of 424:
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Jan 28 22:33 UTC 2004 |
THANKS jremmers!
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remmers
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response 294 of 424:
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Jan 29 02:19 UTC 2004 |
The polls are now open. Type "vote" at a Unix shell prompt,
"!vote" just about anywhere else. You get to choose which of
the two propositions to vote on. When done with your first
choice, you get to choose again.
You can vote more than once; your last vote overwrites any
previous one. Therefore, it is appropriate to continue discussing
the proposal here during the voting period.
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gelinas
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response 295 of 424:
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Jan 29 02:23 UTC 2004 |
Thank you, remmers. My votes have been cast. :)
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polytarp
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response 296 of 424:
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Jan 29 02:41 UTC 2004 |
I don't like the way proposal B is phrased. It makes it seems as if it was
a typical staff action to delete items on request.
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albaugh
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response 297 of 424:
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Jan 29 19:43 UTC 2004 |
Even though I'm not excited about this whole affair, I guess I recommend a
"Yes" vote on this proposal. That would ostensibly restore things to where
they were before the "unauthorized" item deletions took place. I'm sorry that
staff will have to spend time on this should it pass, but that is not the
fault of the membership - the fault lies elsewhere.
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jp2
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response 298 of 424:
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Jan 29 20:06 UTC 2004 |
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cmcgee
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response 299 of 424:
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Jan 29 20:13 UTC 2004 |
I voted no on this proposal.
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jep
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response 300 of 424:
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Jan 29 21:09 UTC 2004 |
I definitely don't agree with jp2 that the Grex staff has any contempt
for the users. I've never seen any indication that any of the users
feel that way -- until jp2 said it.
Like cmcgee, I voted against this proposal.
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jp2
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response 301 of 424:
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Jan 29 21:25 UTC 2004 |
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cmcgee
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response 302 of 424:
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Jan 29 21:26 UTC 2004 |
Logic and precedent are not the only criteria for making decisions. One of
my favorte "Bill of Rights" lists is in a book on independent thinking.
VIII You have the right to be illogical in making decisions.
A common way for people to manipulate others is by claiming that you cannot
do anything illogical. They try to force you to go against your own values,
which may place a higher priority on relationships and feelings, by insisting
that you must be "logical". Logic and precident are simply -one- way to
make good decisions.
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