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Grex > Coop8 > #77: >>> Grex needs to move <<< |  |
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steve
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response 275 of 561:
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Jul 22 02:48 UTC 1996 |
The RC is pressed enough for space that they'd have to give up something
else they currently do in order to give us something else. I'd never expect
to see another space there, 'till they get a new building.
I'm not sure what you're asking in the second part of #274.
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tsty
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response 276 of 561:
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Jul 22 05:41 UTC 1996 |
re: 275/274 ... possibly have *both* parties provide a written agreement
that grex won't get shitcanned whatever happens between them?
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ewhisam
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response 277 of 561:
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Jul 22 19:54 UTC 1996 |
Yep, it all looks good. Ann Arbor sounds like a nice place for GREX.
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dpc
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response 278 of 561:
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Jul 23 01:17 UTC 1996 |
Well, I just hope that Grex will be happy with a short-term lease.
No, Arbornet wouldn't be interested in either the W Huron or the RC
site. Arbornet is now paying $160 per month for rent. What we
want is a space for the same amount (or hopefully less) with a
l-o-n-g term lease--say five years, with an option to renew for
another five. We want a permanent home.
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kerouac
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response 279 of 561:
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Jul 23 16:32 UTC 1996 |
#278....With m-net in its current condition, anybody on the arbornet board
would have to be nuts to sign a five year lease if you ask me. It seems
like it would be irresponsible to sign more than a one-year lease while the
group is financially unstable. Besides, five yearsis a LONg time in
cyberspace...(like several lifetimes) and you have no idea whether m-net
is still going to be technically viable by then.
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rcurl
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response 280 of 561:
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Jul 23 18:01 UTC 1996 |
Hmmm....this is the only item in coop with the word "move" in its head,
so this is where all move discussion occurs, right? I would like to make
the suggestion that the new machine room be set up with all metal shelving
(the type you assemble yourself). It is light, easily built to accomodate
different size components, and can be placed for both front and rear access.
A keyboard extension could be added easily. This would avoid having to move
any clunky furniture into the new space, and would make very economical use
of floor space.
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mdw
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response 281 of 561:
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Jul 23 18:52 UTC 1996 |
Actually, that desk is less clunky than you might think. It's amazingly
portable, and very very solid. For things like a writing surface,
keyboard, and telephone, it is clearly the furniture of choice. Cheap
metal shelving is a good idea, and certainly worth pursuing, but it's
not real durable, and does have its limitations. We do need to be
realistic here: we don't actually need *that* much machine space, & the
desk is free. We can also salvage the existing wall mounted shelves
from the dungeon, which should satisfy our remaining machine room needs.
It would be desirable to have extra machine room storage beyond that,
but that's something that could profitably be put off until after the
move.
We might well also *still* want to consider acquiring shelving for the
computer rehabilitation projection, but it would actually be
advantageous if that space were separate from the machine room proper.
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adbarr
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response 282 of 561:
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Jul 24 00:18 UTC 1996 |
STeve re # 275 -- I thought I read that the owner and the tenant were in
dispute about the right of the tenant to the property one wqy or the other.
I will review the prior posts when time permits and respond in more detail.
In short, I am concerned about the rights of the tenant to deal with you
(Cyberspace Communications, Inc.) in a way that you can rely upon and
enforce against the owner. I can lease you anything you are willing to
pay for, but I might not be there to go after when you find out that
your lease is worth about the same as the paper etc. There are
thousands of cases in the appeals records on these problems, let alone
those that don't get reported. I think you (the corporation) needs to
do more digging here, at the least.
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steve
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response 283 of 561:
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Jul 24 00:49 UTC 1996 |
Ah, OK. I see now. Yes, we can do more digging, thats never a
bad idea. However, the board is uneasy enough about this that it's
basically a lost cause.
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albaugh
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response 284 of 561:
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Jul 24 15:54 UTC 1996 |
Just curious: How will "grex" decide when & where to move? Board vote?
Membership vote? Staff coup d'etat? :-)
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robh
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response 285 of 561:
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Jul 24 16:07 UTC 1996 |
Board vote.
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kaplan
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response 286 of 561:
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Jul 24 16:27 UTC 1996 |
Has anyone talked to the other landlord of the Huron site? Are we taking the
word of the guy who wants to own the building that the other guy would double
the rent? Maybe both possible landlords could agree that which ever one winds
up with the building, they could both honor an agreement with grex?
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omni
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response 287 of 561:
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Jul 24 17:44 UTC 1996 |
FWIW, I favor the Red Cross site. Over the last 5 yrs, As long as I have
assoiciated with the ARROW there has never been a problem over our club
station. We have always had a good relationship with them. Grex would be a
good neighbor.
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ewhisam
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response 288 of 561:
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Jul 24 20:21 UTC 1996 |
I like the red cross site too cause they also have a reputation to maintain
and many private landlords who know how to manipulate the system really do
not care how much you tarnish their reputation as long as they can s___w you
for your money when they want to. VIVA la Red Cross!!!!! ahem sorry......I
get carried away sometimes....... :')
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ewhisam
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response 289 of 561:
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Jul 24 20:24 UTC 1996 |
And besides.........if someone should cut themselves band-aids wont be far
off.
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rcurl
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response 290 of 561:
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Jul 24 21:21 UTC 1996 |
They also have lots of people trained in first aid and CPR - say, for
an electrocution victim.
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ewhisam
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response 291 of 561:
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Jul 25 16:54 UTC 1996 |
Thats what I said.
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rickyb
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response 292 of 561:
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Jul 26 02:42 UTC 1996 |
I have seen no further comment regarding the plymouth road site. Rent there
was negotiable, and topped out around $100/mo. Since it is larger than any
of the others, can be configured any way desired, is available on short-term
or long-term lease and can accomodate the primary grex phone number, I'd have
thought there would be a little more interest in it. After reading about the
owner/landlord dispute over the W. Huron site, I'd think it would come down
to Plymouth Rd and the Red Cross. Free is good. Security (ie; stability)
is just as important. It can cost lots to move. this may not be a popular
concept amopng the decision makers, but I think you should be looking at a
4-5 year committment _at least_. I've mentioned how you can negotiate an
"escape clause" that would be mutually acceptible, in the event something
wonderful presents itself in the future.
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srw
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response 293 of 561:
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Jul 26 03:04 UTC 1996 |
Let's assume that the rent on the Plymouth Road site was $60.
Our rent would add up to more than the cost of a move every year.
I really believe that the Red Cross site is a better choice for the
money reasons. We work very very hard to raise $720, and yet we would
automatically cut our expenses by that much by moving in with RC.
I like the Plymouth Road site very much, and if we had 110 members,
maybe it would make more sense. I feel we are too strapped to be able to
afford it if there is a workable site like the RC as an alternative.
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scg
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response 294 of 561:
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Jul 26 03:56 UTC 1996 |
I'm still very interested in the Plymouth Road site, but unless there turns
out to be something really wrong with the Red Cross space, I'm not sure how
to justify the expense.
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scott
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response 295 of 561:
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Jul 26 10:58 UTC 1996 |
The Plymouth Road space is the best "space", being nearly ideal in size,
ventilation, etc. Trouble is, we can provide better service to our members
by moving into a lower rent space.
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chelsea
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response 296 of 561:
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Jul 27 13:25 UTC 1996 |
I really like the idea of having a formal lease arrangement but,
in this case, I totally agree with srw's reasoning in #293.
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tims
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response 297 of 561:
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Jul 28 04:18 UTC 1996 |
I think that saving money would be great for grex, but if you don't have good
ventilation you could end up havingbigger problems(i.e. having the grex-box
burn out in the heat) after the cost of moving, you don't want the added cost
of replacing equipment killed by the shortcommings of the newspace. The same
goes for other problems like water damage.
When looking at a site, here is a suggestion: look at what is in the
ceiling(if you have a ceiling with removable tiles) it wouldn't be good to
find out later that there is a damaged(leaking) water pipe up there, or a hole
in the roof.
I think that it would be good to try and get bith "owners" of the W Huron
place to sign a contract. Maybee the other person will be nice to grex(tell
him if he doesn't do it all the members of grex will send send him flame mail,
and make prank calls to his house, and egg his car!!!)
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rickyb
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response 298 of 561:
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Jul 29 16:04 UTC 1996 |
I, too, agree with srw if the RC space can be negotiated. The reason I
continued to raise the Plymouth Rd space is that there is this continuing
discussion of W Huron and the problems with the "owners". No such problem
at Plymouth Rd, and the rent could be comparable. Of course, free is better
if the circumstances fit.
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popcorn
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response 299 of 561:
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Jul 30 13:57 UTC 1996 |
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