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bru
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response 275 of 360:
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Jun 5 21:01 UTC 2002 |
The US made mistakes in vietnam from the very begining. But atrocities? You
talking about things like Mi Lai? Individual atrocities? Or something else
like the indiscriminate bombing of the North?
Get specific. You won't find many US atrocities other than the atrocity of
war itself, which we are very good at prosecuting when we have to.
Keep in mind we do a good job of rebuilding those countries we have cefeated.
We don't sit on them and drain them of their resources and wealth. WE build
tham up in a democratic model. We aid them to recover their economy.
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jp2
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response 276 of 360:
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Jun 5 21:04 UTC 2002 |
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orinoco
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response 277 of 360:
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Jun 5 21:50 UTC 2002 |
(I'll verbalize your adjectives real good! Aww yeah...)
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scg
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response 278 of 360:
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Jun 5 22:36 UTC 2002 |
The US certainly seems to have done well at rebuilding democracies in the
countries it defeated and got control over in World War II, and I don't think
we've had problems with any of those countries since. The more recent history
tends to be of propping up brutal dictatorships, with less successful results.
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gelinas
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response 279 of 360:
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Jun 6 03:12 UTC 2002 |
Yeah, but we haven't defeated those countries in war; we've been invited in
(more or less) by the existing government. NOT supporting them would be a
lot like biting the hand that feeds you.
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sarkhel
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response 280 of 360:
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Jun 6 21:33 UTC 2002 |
It seems US likes to install democracy by following the simple route:-
1) Destabilize the country, 2) Demoralize the people, 3) Make them bend on
their knees, 4) Instruct them to chant "US the Super Power" and 5) Install
a "democratic Gov't" OR if any form of Gov't supports US then there wont be
any need to change the set up.
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other
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response 281 of 360:
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Jun 6 22:29 UTC 2002 |
Oh, stop. You're just jealous because we're doing it and the Indian
government can't.
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sarkhel
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response 282 of 360:
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Jun 6 23:46 UTC 2002 |
I am jealous to Govt Of India due to their excellent foreign policy and true
love for democracy
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bru
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response 283 of 360:
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Jun 7 00:13 UTC 2002 |
well, it seems to work best if we stomp the country into the stone age, grind
their military into submission, turn their industry into scrapmetal, then
teach them how to govern themselves for ten years adn getting out except for
leaving military in place to defend them against their neighbors.
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jmsaul
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response 284 of 360:
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Jun 7 04:22 UTC 2002 |
Re #282: Which of those motivated the Indian police to stand by while Hindu
extremist mobs burned Moslems to death?
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bdh3
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response 285 of 360:
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Jun 7 08:14 UTC 2002 |
re#284: Why do you only mention the deaths of moslems and not
christians at the hands of those same mobs?
Clearly on a scale of 1 to 10 where 10 rates the 'most democratic'
India rates a second. And the USA perhaps a seven. The swiss get
a 10 but that is because of the swiss judges and who the heck wants
to live there other than them anyways. ('neatness scares the shit
out of me' dunno about you.) (In 600 years of 'peace' the only thing
the swish have to say for themselves is 'cukoo clocks', chocolate
(from mexico), and the registered trademark for Heroin.)
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jmsaul
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response 286 of 360:
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Jun 7 12:13 UTC 2002 |
Re #285: Because I was thinking about a specific incident I read about in
detail, where it appeared to be local government policy to let
them kill Moslems. They certainly kill Christians as well, though.
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sarkhel
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response 287 of 360:
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Jun 7 20:50 UTC 2002 |
The incident mentioned is certainly a national shame of India and it is being
voiced by none other than the PM and also the several political leaders.( the
incident of killing muslims). But how many Hindus are being killed at India,
itself and at Pakistan, do you have any idea? It is certainly NOT the question
of killings of a certain community, it is the question of killings of human
beings and the innocents irrespective of their religion.But I am sure the nos
are far less than that of the blacks were killed by......and the people at
Japan,Vietnam and so on.
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jmsaul
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response 288 of 360:
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Jun 7 22:42 UTC 2002 |
I'm not so sure of that. During the partition of Pakistan from India, didn't
you guys (meaning both sides) kill several hundred thousand people?
Civilians, I mean? I've read contemporary accounts of atrocities that
would have made Lt. Calley puke.
Look, Sarkhel. You aren't talking to a bunch of dumb-ass college student
hippies whose knowledge of India stops with John Lennon's pilgrimage here.
I've had college coursework on post-colonial India, and I follow enough
news from non-US sources that I've got a reasonable idea what's going on
over there now, too. I'm not the only one.
The blunt fact is that Indians are as bloodthirsty as *any* group on the
planet. Stop pretending that you're a nation of Mohandas Gandhis, and that
you have anything resembling the moral high ground, because it's complete
bullshit. You'll note that none of us are claiming the US is pure and
good, because we know better, but be aware that we know better about you,
too.
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bdh3
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response 289 of 360:
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Jun 8 07:30 UTC 2002 |
Not to mention that India is a 'class' (cast) based society that
makes britain look republican even though they can't play football
for shit.
jmsaul, you shouldn't be so hard. The Indians are for example much
faster than the USA. A US film that it takes US citizens about
two hours to view yer indian citizen can watch in about 27 minutes.
They can read a playboy magazine much quicker than the US citizen
and they do really only buy it for the articles (all 7 pages of it).
And you can only surf the net with both hands.
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slynne
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response 290 of 360:
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Jun 9 16:47 UTC 2002 |
bdh, that does not even come close to explaining why Lagaan was 4 hours
long. Can Indians watch that movie in 2 hours or less?
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oval
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response 291 of 360:
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Jun 10 03:25 UTC 2002 |
Indians also can make a movie a day, that are probably better than most of
the crap that comes out of the US.
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void
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response 292 of 360:
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Jun 10 15:29 UTC 2002 |
(long URL warning)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,730701,00.html
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bhelliom
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response 293 of 360:
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Jun 10 15:45 UTC 2002 |
Have you even *seen* Indian movies? "Probably" doesn't make for a very
strong argument.
It's okay folks, don't be so hard on the poor lad. Any weak-minded
fool can think the way he does by blindly believing everything he reads
and hears. But it takes a special weak-minded fool to be able to
articulate it with such eloquence.
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janc
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response 294 of 360:
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Jun 11 01:41 UTC 2002 |
Very large amounts of crap are produced by both Indian and American studios.
Really amazingly large piles of crap. The best products of each are better
than most of the crap produced by the other. I think the Indians may make
more movies. I'm sure the Americans spend more money on making each movie.
American movies do better in the export market. American movies make more
money for the people who make them, so the American studios tend to suck the
most talented people out of overseas studios. On close inspection, it isn't
always obvious that a movie produced by an American studio is all that
American, because the cast and crew can be pretty international. I'm not
going to be easily convinced that Indian cinema is better than American
cinema, but I hardly think that is cause for very much self-congratuation.
They are aimed at very different markets. Each is tremendously successful
in its target market.
However, the original comments were, I think, about censorship, not about
the quality of the movies.
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jmsaul
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response 295 of 360:
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Jun 11 01:51 UTC 2002 |
Most of the Indian movies I see posters for look exactly like the Golan/Globus
action flicks we see here.
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bhelliom
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response 296 of 360:
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Jun 11 14:16 UTC 2002 |
I haven't gotten to that Genre of film yet. What would you say the
most common types of films--for instance the action flicks that jmsaul
mentioned--are in Indian cinema.
I think that the American studios miss a lot of great talent out there,
but then again, this preserves the great cinematic traditions out there.
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mynxcat
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response 297 of 360:
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Jun 11 15:41 UTC 2002 |
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vmskid
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response 298 of 360:
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Jun 11 17:23 UTC 2002 |
Most Bollywood movies that I have seen were pretty bad.
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bhelliom
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response 299 of 360:
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Jun 11 21:11 UTC 2002 |
Hmm . . . the only things I've read that makes any mention of Bollywood
and its culture is the "Satanic Verses." Strnge book. Liked it well
enough.
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