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Grex > Language > #127: New fair witness of the language conference! |  |
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willcome
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response 27 of 78:
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Dec 2 22:01 UTC 2003 |
R. 25: Unless one's FW of a conference, he can't very well be expected to
know which specific features are available; unless naftee's an FW, he can't
tell you, as an FW, to do.
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naftee
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response 28 of 78:
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Dec 2 23:35 UTC 2003 |
re 17 I'd love to help out with the international conference.
re 18 For instance, a user could type 'hello' at the Ok: prompt, and
it would show them what the word hello is in twelve different
languages. Stuff like that.
re 19
>Some of what naftee proposes in #6 concerns
the Backtalk interface: these would require staff approval and
implementation.
You have no idea what you are talking about. This is why another FW
is needed.
> I referred to both naftee and willcome in the current agora
as "jerks" for some very jerk-like responses they entered. This issue
smells a lot like a counterattack.
Perhaps you did, but that's not the issue.
re 20 You don't participate in the language conference. How are you
to judge this?
re 21
>but it probably is something that
>wouldn't require staff intervention, at a wild guess.
Yes, that is the whole point of a fairwitness.
re 23
>Do we really want or need conferences on Grex to be "like-some-
conference-on-Mnet"? They are 2 separate and different systems. I
like it that way and see no reason why they should resemble each other.
You've taken that quote entirely out of context. I was making a
comment on the interface of the conference, not the content. In other
words, you have nothing to fear.
re 25
>My responsibility is language, not Backtalk.
Once again, this is why another FW is needed. A fairwitness'
responsibility is towards the conference.
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rcurl
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response 29 of 78:
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Dec 3 00:07 UTC 2003 |
Traditionally, FWs volunteer and are accepted because they will be fair
witnesses. One can always learn the computer stuff. One just asks, and
there is a lot of ready help available. It is not essentially a *technical*
position.
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naftee
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response 30 of 78:
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Dec 3 00:12 UTC 2003 |
Read response #0. My reasons for volunteering were originally not
technical. Rather, as 'untechnical' as one can get in an electronic
BBS.
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willcome
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response 31 of 78:
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Dec 3 00:15 UTC 2003 |
29: when are you gonna apologise?
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glenda
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response 32 of 78:
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Dec 3 01:18 UTC 2003 |
Why should the interface(s) of Grex be like those of Mnet. Again,
they are different systems and should not look or feel the same.
Difference is good. Do you want all your friends' homes to look the
same as yours and everyone else's. It would get very boring very fast.
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willcome
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response 33 of 78:
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Dec 3 02:18 UTC 2003 |
Why, then, do you support changing to OpenBSD? That's more similar than SunOS
is to M-Net's interface, which, face it, is already virtually identical to
Grex's. I don't see how adding useful features to conferences is going to
make them boring.
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naftee
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response 34 of 78:
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Dec 3 03:57 UTC 2003 |
re 32 You have no idea what you're talking about. Read my above responses.
In none of them did I mention I'd make the language conference look like a
conference on m-net. Please drop that line of argument.
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gull
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response 35 of 78:
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Dec 3 14:32 UTC 2003 |
Adding features to Picospan isn't within a FW's capabilities.
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jep
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response 36 of 78:
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Dec 3 15:03 UTC 2003 |
That's actually not quite correct.
For the text interface the fw can define aliases of Unix commands for
his conference, using (I think) the .cfrc file. He can also cause
other Unix commands to be executed for each user who enters the
conference (though individual users have the capability of evading
these commands). I've heard of people using fw powers to prevent
unwanted users from posting, having people logged out upon entering the
conference, or making every response containing a code word appear to
be personally directed toward the person joining the conference.
For the WWW interface, the fw can define links within the conference
WWW page, and also define colors and background images for the
conference. (The Backtalk and Sports conferences here on Grex, and
possibly others, use these capabilities.)
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gull
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response 37 of 78:
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Dec 3 15:11 UTC 2003 |
Hmm. Thanks for the correction.
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remmers
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response 38 of 78:
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Dec 3 16:16 UTC 2003 |
I plead guilty to the "code word" one. The Mary Poppins filter,
used originally on M-Net, and once here as an April Fool joke.
Seriously, though, this capability of Picospan, as implemented, is
a security hole that ought to be plugged.
In any case, a user can exempt themselves from any FW changes by
putting the line "set nosource" in their .cfonce file.
I am skeptical that the changes proposed by naftee would have much
benefit.
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naftee
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response 39 of 78:
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Dec 3 16:19 UTC 2003 |
re 38 Perhaps you are skeptical, but you (or ay other GreX user, for that
matter) have not given any reasons, good or otherwise, against me being FW
of the language conference.
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remmers
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response 40 of 78:
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Dec 3 16:46 UTC 2003 |
I'm not saying that you shouldn't. But the decision should be up to
the participants in the language conference, not the readers of Coop,
and not you. (I'm reading this item in Coop.)
To elaborate on the security issue: If a conference directory contains
a file named "rc" of Picospan commands, those commands are executed
whenever a user joins the conference, unless they have the line "set
nosource" in their .cfonce file. That's how an FW can customize
prompts and other features of a conference.
However, the rc file can contain shell escapes that execute arbitrary
Unix commands *as that user*. Consider the implications of that.
In view of that, I think it would be reasonable for participants of
a conference to consider a user's track record of behavior on the
system in deciding whether or not that user is appropriate fair-
witness material.
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other
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response 41 of 78:
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Dec 3 16:58 UTC 2003 |
Under the circumstances, I'd say that's all the justification needed
for users of that conference to not want asshole, err willcome/
naftee as FW, but I'm willing to let them decide how much rope he
can hang himself with.
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naftee
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response 42 of 78:
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Dec 3 18:44 UTC 2003 |
re 40 Users can always see exactly what a command does in the rc file.
Besides, a user doesn't *HAVE* to type a command if they don't want to.
Additionally, I don't plan on doing stupid tricks as FW such as you described
above.
re 41 I think you should look at yourself before calling other people
assholes. Read it carefully. It's "other people" not "another person".
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remmers
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response 43 of 78:
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Dec 3 19:30 UTC 2003 |
They can see if they know to look. Most users don't.
But I'm out of this discussion insofar as it pertains to fw'ing
Language, since I don't participate in that conference.
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cmcgee
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response 44 of 78:
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Dec 3 19:35 UTC 2003 |
So any other stupid tricks you have done were planned far in advance?
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rcurl
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response 45 of 78:
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Dec 3 20:17 UTC 2003 |
I'm not interested in naftee joining me as a FW of the language conference.
He has not been an active, much less valuable, participant in the conference.
He has also shown that he likes to enter junk responses in other conferences
and has the skills to multiply this in conferences in which he has the
powers of a FW.
There are dozens of inactive conferences, many I think even with FWs
that are not current users. I'd suggest turning one of those over to
naftee, and he can show us what he can do as a FW.
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naftee
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response 46 of 78:
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Dec 4 02:30 UTC 2003 |
The langauge conference, thanks to you, rcurl, is one of those sadly inactive
conferences. Getting defensive isn't going to change that fact. Welcoming
help, however, will.
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rcurl
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response 47 of 78:
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Dec 4 02:55 UTC 2003 |
I'd welcome a co FW if it were a user I could trust not to do infantile or
stupid things.
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naftee
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response 48 of 78:
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Dec 4 03:01 UTC 2003 |
rcurl, you are being replaced. Live with it. You ruined the language
conference. I'm here to fiz your mistakes.
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naftee
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response 49 of 78:
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Dec 4 03:04 UTC 2003 |
fix
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gelinas
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response 50 of 78:
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Dec 4 03:13 UTC 2003 |
As a user of language: No, you aren't, naftee. I see no reason to make you
a fairwitness of this conference.
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willcome
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response 51 of 78:
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Dec 4 03:25 UTC 2003 |
Right, Grex certainly doesn't need new staff members.
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