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gelinas
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response 26 of 184:
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Jan 30 23:25 UTC 2004 |
The subject was "a request"
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tod
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response 27 of 184:
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Jan 30 23:32 UTC 2004 |
This response has been erased.
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cyklone
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response 28 of 184:
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Jan 30 23:55 UTC 2004 |
> Date: 29 Jan 2004 05:45:09 -0000
> From: valerie@unixmama.com
> To: xxxxxxxxxxxx@cyberspace.org
> Subject: a request
> Hello. I'm writing with a request that is very important to me.
> I deleted my online baby diary from Grex. There is a vote that has
> just started, to undelete it, against my wishes. Please, even if
> you haven't used Grex in a long time, I urge you to log in and vote
> to leave the baby diary deleted. The vote also includes John Perry's
> divorce diary, which I deleted at his request, and which he wishes
> to also stay deleted. I encourage you to log in and vote to leave all
> these items deleted. My baby diary items contain lots of personal
> information about me and my children that I no longer wish to be
> posted on the Internet. Even if my items are restored without my
> postings, my baby diary items are still all about me and my children,
> and the other people's postings are full of my personal information
> that I no longer wish to have posted.
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> Here are the details of what happened: Back in 1997, I started
> keeping an online baby diary on Grex, logging many personal details
> of pregnancy, the births of my children, and many details of raising
> them, and about my personal life. I originally posted it because
> I thought people who hadn't experienced pregnancy and childbirth
> might be interested to read about these things. I figured that
> since it was located in a back corner of Grex, the only people who
> would wade through my baby diary were people who were interested
> enough in parenting to wade through hundreds of postings about messy
> diapers and other topics of interest only to people who were truly
> interested in parenting issues, and also to people who were very
> patient friends of mine who wanted to keep up with my life.
>
> A few weeks ago, I discovered that a parody of my baby diary had
> been running on M-Net for the past 2 1/2 years, without my knowledge.
> (If you would like to see it, it's item 39 in the "Agora" conference
> on M-Net.) Some of the postings there are funny, some are nasty.
> Finding the parody explained a lot about why the real baby diary
> had, in the past 2 1/2 years, acquired a number of people who didn't
> really seem to be interested in parenting, as you could tell by
> their postings. They were visiting my baby diary to acquire
> material to parody on M-Net, or better yet to post my words verbatim
> and laugh about how outrageous or personal the information was.
> The rules of the parody game in M-Net's Agora conference say that
> anything posted anywhere on Grex is open to parodying. There is
> no way to opt out of being parodied. That is, if you post anything
> on Grex, the people in M-Net's Agora conference take it as an open
> invitation to parody you. I wished to opt out. So I deleted my
> baby diary. I used my Grex staff access to do it, just as I would
> have done for any user of Grex who asked staff to delete an item that
> was full of his or her personal information that they no longer wanted
> to have online.
>
> When I deleted the baby diaries, someone started a discussion
> in the co-op conference, claiming that my deletion of the baby
> diaries was "root abuse". User jp2 started a vote, this vote that
> I am writing to you about, to undelete the baby diaries. His
> reasoning is that since there were other people's words in the baby
> diaries, he claims it was censorship for me to delete their words
> without their permission. I find this claim bizarre. The information
> in those baby diaries is all about me and my children. If someone
> else had posted my credit card numbers, it would clearly be appropriate
> to delete that posting, because it contained my personal information.
> Most of the postings in the baby diaries are likewise all about my
> personal information. I no longer wish to have this personal
> information online.
>
> So, if you would log in to Grex and vote "no" on proposal "A",
> I would very much appreciate it.
>
> To vote, log in to Grex, and, type !vote from a menu, or
> vote from a shell prompt. Then follow the menus from there.
>
> -Valerie
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naftee
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response 29 of 184:
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Jan 31 00:32 UTC 2004 |
re 19 All campaigning is a form of disinformation. This just happens to be
a bitch doing it.
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cyklone
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response 30 of 184:
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Jan 31 03:52 UTC 2004 |
She's basically saying "gee, I really meant to have a vanity conference
like the one twinkie has on mnet but I forgot to warn the posters ahead of
time that I was the dictator. Please approve my coup." Which is pretty
much what jep is doing as well.
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twinkie
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response 31 of 184:
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Jan 31 03:55 UTC 2004 |
I have a vanity conference here, too.
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jep
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response 32 of 184:
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Jan 31 04:14 UTC 2004 |
I'm just trying to move past a part of my life it's time to put behind
me. At various times in my life, I've wanted to do that. I expect
everyone past a certain age has felt that way, some time in their
life. I've wished, more than once, I could help someone else to get
over something. It's not always possible to do that. This time it
is, and I am asking the users of Grex to do that for me.
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jaklumen
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response 33 of 184:
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Jan 31 07:52 UTC 2004 |
I've gotten to a point where I've pretty much shrugged my shoulders and
said, "whatever" when that's been the case with me. People will think
what they want to think-- I cannot change that. I'll turn around and
forget the crap in the past as best I can; if they can't, hmm, oh well.
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happyboy
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response 34 of 184:
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Jan 31 09:04 UTC 2004 |
re32: you shudda thought-a that before you posted.
YOU CAN'T TAKE BACK WHAT YOU SAID.
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gelinas
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response 35 of 184:
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Jan 31 13:21 UTC 2004 |
But sometimes, the saying is part of the moving on.
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jaklumen
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response 36 of 184:
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Jan 31 13:27 UTC 2004 |
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cyklone
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response 37 of 184:
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Jan 31 13:58 UTC 2004 |
Re #33: Very well put. Others could benefit from a similar attitude.
Re #32: As long as you are focused on trying to control others, rather
than yourself, you are kidding yourself if you think you are putting
anything behind you. See #33 and #34. Maturity is accepting your mistakes
and moving on. Attempting a cover-up is not. How very Nixonian of you.
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keesan
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response 38 of 184:
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Jan 31 14:23 UTC 2004 |
I think jep is saying he was suffering from temporary insanity when he posted
certain things, and would prefer not to worry about being convicted for them.
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mary
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response 39 of 184:
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Jan 31 17:23 UTC 2004 |
I really don't think Grex should be allowing one user to have another
user's text removed because of fears that what was said could aid in
his being convicted of a crime. Is that what you're suggesting we
should do, Sindi?
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jp2
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response 40 of 184:
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Jan 31 17:55 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 41 of 184:
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Jan 31 19:54 UTC 2004 |
jep committed a crime?! Oh boy
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keesan
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response 42 of 184:
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Jan 31 20:25 UTC 2004 |
I was not suggesting anything, Mary. I was making guesses as to jep's state
of mind.
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jep
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response 43 of 184:
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Jan 31 21:09 UTC 2004 |
I'm not trying to control anyone else. I guess it sounds dramatic to
you to keep repeating your disinformation, cyklone. I am trying to
affect only my own life. There is some small affect on others, but
this clearly affects me to a far greater extent than it does everyone
else on Grex combined.
You hide behind your pseudo, and apparently hid behind another one two
years ago. You come from another system, having almost no interest in
Grex other than to force your "principles" on me. You then scream
inaccurately about how "Nixonian" and "controlling" I am. Uh... a
little self-examination might be in order for you. I am controlling
my life.
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naftee
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response 44 of 184:
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Jan 31 21:11 UTC 2004 |
hahaha...'the EEEEEVIL OTHER SYSTEMME'
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cyklone
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response 45 of 184:
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Jan 31 21:30 UTC 2004 |
Re #43: What you call "controlling my life" seems to include controlling
others as well. As for my interest in Grex, go read my item in agora and
maybe you will know the facts a little better. BTW, the principles you
claim I am trying to "force" on you are not just mine but the principles
grex professed to be upholding when it agreed to cooperate with the ACLU.
I personally don't care if grex wants to do personal favors for favored
persons at the expense of free and uncensored speech. Ya'll can have your
little sandbox to play in, and I'll join the reindeer games elsewhere.
Grex's credibility is at stake, and if ya'll want to be hypocrites, be my
guest.
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jp2
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response 46 of 184:
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Feb 1 00:02 UTC 2004 |
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twinkie
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response 47 of 184:
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Feb 1 00:29 UTC 2004 |
Did you steal a page from aaron's "How To Argue With Leeron" book?
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naftee
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response 48 of 184:
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Feb 1 00:43 UTC 2004 |
No he just asked you..."HOW TO BE AS GAY AS POSSIBLE".
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jp2
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response 49 of 184:
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Feb 1 00:55 UTC 2004 |
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naftee
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response 50 of 184:
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Feb 1 01:59 UTC 2004 |
Exactly; just like leeron.
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