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mcnally
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response 26 of 75:
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Feb 14 01:43 UTC 2006 |
I have to say -- I grew up in an area with a fair number of hunting
accidents and though I wasn't involved in any of them personally,
I also can't recall them generally leading to criminal investigations.
Is that really the usual practice?
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bru
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response 27 of 75:
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Feb 14 02:13 UTC 2006 |
yes
of course the same can happen in other situations like New Orleans
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nharmon
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response 28 of 75:
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Feb 14 03:02 UTC 2006 |
Re: 26. Generally speaking, misdemeanors require a complaining witness.
A lot of the time, the hunting partner does not press charges, and the
case goes unprosecuted.
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tod
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response 29 of 75:
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Feb 14 16:59 UTC 2006 |
I heard Cheney was fined $7 for not having a birdhunting license.
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jep
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response 30 of 75:
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Feb 14 17:47 UTC 2006 |
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-02-13-cheney-accident_x.htm
According to this article, the vice president was cleared of
wrongdoing. No alcohol or drugs were involved. The vice president
called the police "shortly after the shooting". The sheriff has
cleared Cheney of wrongdoing.
And he sent in his $7 for his bird stamp after the fact. That's how
much it would have cost if he'd done it in advance.
This is no big deal in any way.
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rcurl
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response 31 of 75:
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Feb 14 17:53 UTC 2006 |
What is the usual penalty in Texas if one is caught hunting birds without
a license? Cheney should at least receive that penalty.
I thought this was pretty typical of Cheney - starting shooting before
thinking or looking.
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klg
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response 32 of 75:
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Feb 14 18:02 UTC 2006 |
So, Curl was there and saw the whole thing!
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tod
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response 33 of 75:
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Feb 14 18:20 UTC 2006 |
re #31
Section 42.002, Parks and Wildlife Code (the Code) provides that no person
may hunt any animal without first obtaining and having in ones possession a
valid hunting license.
42.024. EXHIBITING LICENSE.
(a) No person required
by the provisions of this chapter to have a hunting license may fail
or refuse to show the license to an officer on demand.
(b) If on or before the trial of any person charged with a
violation of this section, the person produces for the court or the
prosecuting attorney the proper hunting license issued to the
person and valid at the time of the offense, the court having
jurisdiction of the suit shall dismiss the charge.
Acts 1975, 64th Leg., p. 1405, ch. 545, 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1975.
Amended by Acts 1979, 66th Leg., p. 810, ch. 368, 1, eff. Aug.
27, 1979.
42.025. PENALTY. A person who violates any provision
of this chapter commits an offense that is a Class C Parks and
Wildlife Code misdemeanor.
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rcurl
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response 34 of 75:
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Feb 14 19:00 UTC 2006 |
So, since Cheney is possibly guilty of a misdemeanor, he should step down
until his case is tried?
Re #32: who has to have been there to acknowledge that Cheney shot a man in
the face and chest? He admitted it. The witnesses observed it. Either one
shoots another person deliberately, or one shoots a person without thinking
and looking. I give Cheney the benefit of the doubt.
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tod
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response 35 of 75:
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Feb 14 19:10 UTC 2006 |
re #34
Class C is less than $200..
Class B is $200 to $2000 and can be jail time up to 180 days.
I'm certain the failure to report the incident in a timely manner was a Class
B but nobody is going to question it considering the parties involved.
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mcnally
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response 36 of 75:
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Feb 14 19:26 UTC 2006 |
re #33: according to reports, he had a valid hunting license, but did not
obtain the special stamp required to hunt upland game birds.
re #32, re #31:
31> I thought this was pretty typical of Cheney - starting shooting before
31> thinking or looking.
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> So, Curl was there and saw the whole thing!
Actually he's just putting the most charitable possible interpretation
on it. The alternative is that Cheney *did* look and/or think before
shooting his hunting companion in the face, which hardly paints Cheney
in a better light..
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tod
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response 37 of 75:
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Feb 14 19:28 UTC 2006 |
re #36
re #33: according to reports, he had a valid hunting license, but did not
obtain the special stamp required to hunt upland game birds.
The private land bird hunting stamp is section 4 of that same quoted code but
I didn't bother to include the whole thing.
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cyklone
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response 38 of 75:
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Feb 14 20:24 UTC 2006 |
This just in:
"Everyone believed there were quail in the brush," and "while the quail turned
out to be a 78-year-old man, even knowing that today, Mr. Cheney insists he
would still have shot Mr. Whittington in the face."
-Vice-presidential firearms mishap analyst, Rob Corddry.
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tod
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response 39 of 75:
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Feb 14 20:26 UTC 2006 |
Be vewy vewy quiet...
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jep
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response 40 of 75:
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Feb 14 20:41 UTC 2006 |
The bird stamp in Texas is a new thing they just started doing 5 months
ago. A lot of people don't know about it, and when they are caught
without it, they're given a warning. Apparently Cheney's staff didn't
know about it and didn't get one for the vice president.
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tod
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response 41 of 75:
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Feb 14 20:43 UTC 2006 |
And apparently the Secret Service doesn't care enough about life safety of
others, too. It all makes sense. Yes, blame the staff.
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happyboy
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response 42 of 75:
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Feb 14 20:45 UTC 2006 |
why the 24 hour wait?
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jep
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response 43 of 75:
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Feb 14 21:00 UTC 2006 |
Maybe Dick Cheney drove down to a Texas store, whipped out his driver's
license, and bought his own hunting license, and planned his whole
hunting trip himself. I suppose it is possible if you are sufficiently
imaginative.
It's Cheney's fault for firing his gun and hitting someone, though, no
question. That seems the most important part of this story. Not that
the story itself is in any way significant.
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edina
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response 44 of 75:
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Feb 14 21:03 UTC 2006 |
John, give it up. This will be fodder for quite some time.
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rcurl
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response 45 of 75:
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Feb 14 21:08 UTC 2006 |
Re #40: Typical of Republicans, if true: they don't care enough to look up
what the law is.
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tod
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response 46 of 75:
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Feb 14 21:12 UTC 2006 |
Elder abuse has reached epidemic proportions in the United States. Elderly
people may be more vulnerable to abuse than others because of social isolation
and mental impairment. Abuse of the elderly can occur in the elder's home,
in a nursing home, or hunting. The perpetrators of elderly abuse may be
professional caregivers; relatives; spouses; politicians; doctors; lawyers;
bankers; accountants; or strangers. A caregiver may be unable to cope with
the demands of caring for an elder, and some of the stress is relieved when
they take advantage of someone else who is more vulnerable.
Abusing an elderly person is like the bullying of a smaller, younger child
on the playground. The older person who cannot stand up for themselves
verbally or physically is an easy target. The elder, just like the young
child, may not know how to stop the abuse and will therefore have to suffer
relentlessly. Remember: EASY TARGET
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happyboy
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response 47 of 75:
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Feb 14 22:57 UTC 2006 |
"Easy...you just don't LEAD them so much!"
/chopper noise
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gull
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response 48 of 75:
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Feb 14 23:20 UTC 2006 |
If Al Gore had done this you know that Republicans commentators would
be demanding that he be arrested.
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nharmon
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response 49 of 75:
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Feb 14 23:50 UTC 2006 |
Re: 48. You mean they'd be doing exactly what Democrats are doing now.
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cyklone
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response 50 of 75:
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Feb 14 23:58 UTC 2006 |
That's odd, I haven't read about a single Dem calling for his arrest. You must
have looked hard to find that one.
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