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jmsaul
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response 250 of 293:
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Sep 16 16:57 UTC 2002 |
I'm saying I don't think they should be trusted without accountability. I
wouldn't personally use those lists because of the lack of it. They
should also be accountable in the courts if they black hole someone who
shouldn't be and refuse to remove them (they probably are already).
(DISCLAIMER: I am not talking about the Grex staff.)
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jp2
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response 251 of 293:
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Sep 16 16:59 UTC 2002 |
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jmsaul
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response 252 of 293:
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Sep 16 17:04 UTC 2002 |
Look at what I said, and tell me where I said you shouldn't be allowed to use
a black hole list.
I'm saying that I wouldn't trust them, and that I think the people who put
them together should be civilly liable if they black-hole someone who
shouldn't be, and refuse to correct the problem quickly.
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jp2
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response 253 of 293:
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Sep 16 17:30 UTC 2002 |
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gull
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response 254 of 293:
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Sep 16 18:22 UTC 2002 |
I thought Grex maintained its own blacklist, instead of using someone
else's?
Personally, I use a blacklist service for one of my email accounts. I do
take a cursory look at the subject headers before deleting the mail it
flags, though. I don't see this as an infringement of anyone's rights. I
also throw out mail that looks like credit card offers without opening it.
Same thing.
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scott
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response 255 of 293:
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Sep 16 18:43 UTC 2002 |
Grex maintains its own list. We've recently discussed using an outside list
to reduce the amount of work spent on our own list. But we also need to be
able to react quickly - just like yesterday.
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jazz
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response 256 of 293:
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Sep 16 20:21 UTC 2002 |
No, I didn't say that volunteers shouldn't be accountable for what they
do because they're volunteers, I said:
Given that spam is a bit more than just an inconvenience for sites
with
a limited amount of bandwidth, and that most spam-blocking efforts are run
on a volunteer basis with only the absence of complaints as a reward, I don't
think that looking for accountability is the right thing to be doing.
Translated as much for public benefit as I can, "there are more useful
things to do than blame people".
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jmsaul
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response 257 of 293:
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Sep 16 20:36 UTC 2002 |
Re #253: They should be. Listing someone as a spammer is defamatory, and
in the case of a blacklist provided to the public causes actual
damage.
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tpryan
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response 258 of 293:
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Sep 16 22:13 UTC 2002 |
?Grex is banning mail from a Founder's machine?
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jmsaul
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response 259 of 293:
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Sep 16 22:15 UTC 2002 |
Based on Scott's response, not since it was brought to their attention.
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jmsaul
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response 260 of 293:
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Sep 16 22:34 UTC 2002 |
Grex may have its own version of the polytarp spam warming up:
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:24:03 -0400
From: Tomoko Reborn <tomoko2@cyberspace.org>
To: jmsaul@cyberspace.org
Hello
Nice day
see you
To be continued
Tomoko Zombie
Got two copies of that.
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mynxcat
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response 261 of 293:
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Sep 16 22:40 UTC 2002 |
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scott
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response 262 of 293:
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Sep 16 22:43 UTC 2002 |
Already been squished. It was just going to people as they logged in.
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mynxcat
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response 263 of 293:
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Sep 16 22:45 UTC 2002 |
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jmsaul
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response 264 of 293:
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Sep 17 02:12 UTC 2002 |
Cool.
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fuzzman
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response 265 of 293:
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Sep 17 13:59 UTC 2002 |
Load average is now over 17.
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tpryan
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response 266 of 293:
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Sep 17 15:09 UTC 2002 |
Mail from site that I was pretty sure was being blocked
has now started flowing again.
Thank you for any attention given this.
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russ
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response 267 of 293:
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Sep 17 20:55 UTC 2002 |
Just FYI, I named the site in my e-mail to staff. I didn't feel that
it was necessary to mention it publicly (why should I tell a vandal
what site is used by a bunch of Grexers?). And Scott's attitude to what
was a very reasonable and reasonably-phrased request is out of line.
The problem is fixed now, but it took almost 6 days.
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scott
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response 268 of 293:
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Sep 17 21:02 UTC 2002 |
(FWIW, I like Russ in person but his responses here always strike me as
pompous and insulting.)
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pfv
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response 269 of 293:
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Sep 18 16:33 UTC 2002 |
First it was spam from tomoko2, then it's deviltom. Both are
from 61.205.218.237 (z237.61-205-218.ppp.wakwak.ne.jp) -
Can we wax this site for awhile or something?
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mynxcat
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response 270 of 293:
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Sep 18 16:54 UTC 2002 |
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pfv
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response 271 of 293:
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Sep 18 17:04 UTC 2002 |
and, now..
newuser | 61.205.218.237| ttyt6|Wed Sep 18 12:58:43 2002
*sigh*
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russ
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response 272 of 293:
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Sep 18 22:24 UTC 2002 |
As a refresher, here's the request I made in response 236:
>Will the Grex staff please:
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>1.) Unblock this site, and
>2.) Inform the compilers of the spamblock list that their
> information is out of date.
Somehow, Scott found this "attitude" insulting in #247:
>As a staffer I'm a bit insulted by Russ & Joe's attitude. We act in good
>faith, and when somebody manages to wade through the piles of email to 'staff'
>the block will likely be removed.
(I tried to expedite matters because I knew that a bunch of Grexers
were being affected, and that traffic that people might find important
was being irretrievably lost. Not knowing that Grex did not use an
outside blocklist, I thought that spreading this information to the
maintainer could help list members on other sites too.) Then he added:
>However, if you're going to be a dick about this then so am I. What system,
>and why is Russ desirous of hiding it?
This was a full day after I'd emailed staff (including Scott, I assume)
to tell them what site was being mis-blocked; my e-mail was almost a
verbatim repeat of response 236, with the site name included. I hadn't
"hidden" a thing from anyone who mattered, he just hadn't looked.
Then he winds up with this:
>(FWIW, I like Russ in person but his responses here always strike me as
>pompous and insulting.)
To which I can only reply: Scott, if you look for something hard enough
on the insistence that it HAS to exist, you're going to find it even if
it doesn't. I'm not going to walk on eggshells because of it.
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scott
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response 273 of 293:
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Sep 18 23:43 UTC 2002 |
Wow. Well, I have no intentions of being abrasive, but it does happen in
text-only communications (and sometimes I lose my temper). My apologies.
I'd like to make a point about the staff list, though. It gets deluged with
mail every day. I'm not even on it anymore; I wouldn't have stayed a staff
member if I'd been required to get it. In return, I do a lot more
vandal-squashing and hardware visits.
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other
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response 274 of 293:
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Sep 19 02:49 UTC 2002 |
Frankly, I was puzzled at scott's ire in this thread, but I figured it
would pass...
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