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Grex > Coop8 > #77: >>> Grex needs to move <<< |  |
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drew
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response 250 of 561:
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Jul 20 17:59 UTC 1996 |
I take it that the Red Cross site is one jump away from the 761- exchange?
If so, then How about instaling 761-3000 at a staffer's home, as in #246,
with Call Forwarding, then call forward that phone to the new Grex numbers.
Or maybe see if you can just get the 761-3000 line to trunk to the others,
and leave it off the hook.
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scg
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response 251 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:02 UTC 1996 |
Call forwarding is 8.2 cents per call on business lines. When you look at
how many calls Grex gets per day, that's quite a bit.
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steve
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response 252 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:06 UTC 1996 |
Jeff, we haven't been able to look at the walls in the RC room because
they're encased in boxes. I will bet that we'll have to upgrade the
wiring, and because of where we are, we probably won't be able to do
the wiring ourselves. A rough guess would be $350 - $450 for that.
We'll have to deal with the ventilation issue. That I think we can do
ourselves. Assume $100 for that
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steve
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response 253 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:08 UTC 1996 |
There is another option for 761-3000, which would be a "foriegn
exchange" option, where the line is brought out past its normal boundary.
The cost would be the normal 1MB rate for the line plus a per-mile
charge, probably about $2/mile between the two Central Office's.
I've never seen this done for a business line, but I know it can be
done with a residential line. I'll find out on Monday if thats possible
in this case.
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kerouac
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response 254 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:22 UTC 1996 |
why is 761-3000 so important...its justa phone #...businesses change #'s
all the time. Its easy to remember Im sure but I cant believe its that
big of a deal.
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aaron
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response 255 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:25 UTC 1996 |
Besides -- it may be possible to get a better number. M-Net, I hear, is
considering 663-6245. (Easy to remember -- just dial "NO EMAIL".)
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steve
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response 256 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:33 UTC 1996 |
It would be great to keep 761-3000 because a lot of people
are going to be clueless about the change. And, we've polluted it
forever--Ameritech isn't going to be able to give that number away
again, at least not for long. Whatever poor soul that gets it will
hand it back pretty quick, I think.
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janc
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response 257 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:34 UTC 1996 |
Steve, if you are comparing RC to WH, you have to compare $0 to $60. The
current $25 rent is irrelevant.
Again, overhead hurts *much* more than one-time-costs, and any move-in
upgrades needed are one-time costs. Steve was saying he'd like changes to
the wiring at the WH site too, and I'm not sure we know enough about the RC
site to assess the costs. Originally I heard that we could ventilate
adequately buy taking out the suspended ceiling panels.
With RC we've got landlords who are basically interested in community service,
and are basically much more our kind of people. They are people we can expect
to understand the problems of a non-profit coorporation. That doesn't mean
they will necessarily stand by us through thick and thin -- their mission is
not our mission, and in a tight pinch they'd likely feel they have to put
their mission first, but it would take a tight pinch, and it would take a
collective decision by a thoughtful board, not just one person going loopy.
But the money is the driving factor. We get to choose between saving $25 a
month or giving up $35 dollars a month. Sounds like a no-brainer to me.
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janc
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response 258 of 561:
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Jul 20 18:39 UTC 1996 |
Steve slipped in. I couldn't care less how many Ameritech numbers we pollute.
That's their problem, and we owe them no favors. I don't think changing phone
numbers is going to be that big a problem for us.
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tims
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response 259 of 561:
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Jul 20 19:05 UTC 1996 |
Even if some poor soul gets lots of calls that are wrong numbers, who cares?
You can even try to get a cool number like ???-GREX. If you do end up doing
favors for the red cross, would they ever help Grex in return(other that the
room) like paying some money to help upgrade Grex, or a faster line.
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kerouac
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response 260 of 561:
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Jul 20 19:20 UTC 1996 |
well Im sure a recording can be put on "761-3000" saying "this number has
been changed" .etc what would be neat wuld be 761-GREX (whatever that # is)
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chelsea
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response 261 of 561:
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Jul 20 19:25 UTC 1996 |
I think we should sell that number to someone wanting to start
a war board. And only let the people we like have the new
number. ;-)
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scg
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response 262 of 561:
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Jul 20 19:26 UTC 1996 |
It really needs to be a computer and a modem, not a recording. Otherwise,
people dialing it with a modem won't know waht it's saying.
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steve
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response 263 of 561:
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Jul 20 21:22 UTC 1996 |
Jan, the money factor had better not make our decision a "no brainer",
or we're in real trouble. The cost is the *last* things we should worry
about. The *last*. The *important* thing is, can we deal with the people
that we're going to have to deal with? Forunately, in the case of the RC,
since we're likely to wind up there (if they'll have us), they're good
folks. Actually, they're great folks. *that* is what matters, not the money.
Now obviously I'm not saying that we don't have to consider moola, but
anything in the free - $100 range we can consider, and we have several
of those places to mull over.
I really like the RC place, except for the ventilation problems
we're going to have to surmount. Thats going to be an interesting issue.
If we can get them to move the papers out of that room, we can make a little
test with the space heater we have in the dungeon: put it in that room, let
go for a few hours, and then we can start to determine what kind of
ventilation we're going to need.
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adbarr
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response 264 of 561:
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Jul 20 23:17 UTC 1996 |
Jeff, HVCN is trying to help Grex move so we can grab the Dungeon! You
should pay more attention!
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steve
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response 265 of 561:
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Jul 21 00:08 UTC 1996 |
heh.
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drew
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response 266 of 561:
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Jul 21 00:26 UTC 1996 |
Re #262:
People don't have speakers in ther modems? What about AT M1?
That's the best idea yet. "The number you have dialed, 7-6-1 3-0-0-0,
has been changed. The new number is, x-x-x x-x-x-x. Please make a note of
it." <Repeat> <click>
$60 a month in rent is equivalent to maybe three, possibly four phone
lines. How many does grex have?
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tsty
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response 267 of 561:
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Jul 21 01:57 UTC 1996 |
call forwarding is not the way to go @8.2 cents per. steve's idea
is the better way, and probably (do the arithmetic) less expensive.
besides, it would be a good idea to find a way to keep the good
nuber taht has done so much for grex for all these 5 years.
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scg
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response 268 of 561:
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Jul 21 02:42 UTC 1996 |
re 266:
Modem speakers are often good enough for telling whether something is
happenng on the other end, but most modem speakers Ive dealt with aren't good
enough to actually be able to understand something somebody was saying through
them.
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kaplan
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response 269 of 561:
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Jul 21 03:10 UTC 1996 |
One other thing we might want to consider: Satellite dish site potential.
The current RCA DSS type system (DirectTV and USSB) uses an 18 inch dish
which needs a view of the southwest horizon. Line of sight - trees and
buildings mess up the signal. If it's not available now, it will soon be
for more than just TV. Usenet and other digital data can be delivered by
this system. Grex might some day want to have data delivered by
satellite. How would the various potential landlords feel about grex
putting up a dish?
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steve
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response 270 of 561:
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Jul 21 05:23 UTC 1996 |
I asked the landlord at W Huron that question; he didn't mind the
addition of antennas on the roof. when he heard about how small they'd
be he was almost disappointed. The RC, already having a 100ft tower in
their backyard, and various antennae on the roof, won't mind. Since
they've allowed the Arrow and HAVARA ham clubs there, they won't mind
a simple antenna--I'll bet my clothes on that. ;-)
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scg
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response 271 of 561:
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Jul 21 05:25 UTC 1996 |
Would the ARROW's stuff interfere with teh stuff we might want to put up
there?
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steve
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response 272 of 561:
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Jul 21 05:56 UTC 1996 |
Not likely. We're talking about potentially a usenet RO system
that operates in the multi GHZ range, with all the Arrows stuff
being at 440Mhz and below. If we kept the dish on the other
side of the roof we c
should be ok on that score.
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srw
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response 273 of 561:
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Jul 21 16:18 UTC 1996 |
STeve, I don't think money should be a factor if you are comparing a site
which is acceptable with one that is unacceptable or has serious problems.
However, between two sites that are both acceptable, and lacking any serious
problems, I think money is a critical issue for Grex. Some folks have made
a big deal about having a long term commitment so we don't have to move again
soon. I agree that it is important, but the rent question is even more
important. The difference in rent is equivalent to the cost of moving every
9 or 10 months. I think if we can establish that the RC site has no serious
problems, then the difference in rent is huge, and should very much be a
factor in the decision. One time wiring costs don't seem to matter as much.
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adbarr
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response 274 of 561:
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Jul 22 01:05 UTC 1996 |
Is there any chance of moving to bigger space in the RC facilities at some
later date? While I think STeve has done an admirable job in posting the
advantages of the commercial site, sad, sad experience tells me there are
hidden problems there. At the very least Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
should obtain specific consent from the _owner_ of the property to any
lease arrangements. You have lots of notice that anything less is dangerous.
Can the "nice guy" give you assurances about that, and can you get the real
signature of the owner? No reason Grex cannot sit down with the RC and talk
real turkey before you move there, is there?
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