response 26 of 133:

Nov 3 19:27 UTC 1993

  Get a clue folks. The music died in 1957.

 Edgar Allen Poe couldn't write unless he was under the influence of opium.
Guess it happens all ove.

response 28 of 133:

Nov 3 23:53 UTC 1993

#26: "Classic rap" will make that day in 1957 look like a tea party. It will
     also mutate the word "classic" beyond recognition. 

response 30 of 133:

Nov 4 00:41 UTC 1993

 The grunge music --you dork-- doesn't seem to focus on the stupid crap
many/most rap groups do -- beepers, expensive gym shoes, Triple F.A.T jackets,
the cars, & of course all the jewelry.  Nor do they focus on obtaining &
maintaining power through guns & violence, or having sex with the "beeches &
ho's."

        Additionally, there is an unfortunate trend for 'urban youth' (bruthas
& sistas, if it makes you feel better, powie) to idolize & imitate many of
the rap groups & their messages.   For the most part, us honkies simply
enjoy some of the music, & are drawn to dance to it, not shoot or fight to
it.  

        I have some rap CDs, "Power," but I'm happy to say that I'm sure I
don't listen to rap music as much as you do.

response 32 of 133:

Nov 4 02:10 UTC 1993

It's all been downhill since Back, dudes.

response 34 of 133:

Nov 4 03:52 UTC 1993

The day I look back to the 80's and 90's and dream about the days of
Dr. Dre, Ice Cube and Easy-E is the day I will kill myself.

The word "classic" is used to describe something that will be appreciated
and listened to through the ages. Tchaikovsky's works will live forever
because people in 100 years will appreciate them as much as we do now or
as much as people did in Tchaikovsky's time. The same with Bach, Chopin,
Mozart, etc. My guess is that some of the Beatles' works will be remembered
for ages. Zepplin will be remembered as the pioneers of hard rock and their
music will probably live. I seriously cannot fathom the "music" of Dr.Dre,
Ice Cube or Easy-E (collectively known as the group NWA -- "Niggers With
Attitudes) living past their last album. I'm saying this as a great music 
fan and as a musician. It's not going to happen...

response 36 of 133:

Nov 4 15:02 UTC 1993

(Then it was your fault.)

response 38 of 133:

Nov 4 18:29 UTC 1993

The day Schoenberg went serial!

response 40 of 133:

Nov 5 03:29 UTC 1993

Don't be fooled!  Music is alive and well and being produced and reproduced
and listened to faster and more clearly than ever before.

response 42 of 133:

Nov 5 06:18 UTC 1993

  I don't know why I bothered to respond to you, Hoolie.  I know from your
previous responses that I cannot expect you to come back rationally.  But
here goes, anyway.
  How does grunge differ from rap?  It talks about the same material mostly,
despite your insistence that it doesn't--it's from a different urban world
than rap, but that just changes the scenery a bit.  It has the same
preoccupation with sex, drugs, and violence.  And if you think that grunge
rock stars are any less emulated than rap stars, go to downtown AA, and
look at the number of goatees, amount of long hair, etc, etc, etc...
I don't listen to rap a particularly great amount, but your intolerance of
it upsets me.

  Jemmie, I think that your feeling that rap will not outlast the last
album of its stars is similar to the feeling that many horrified people had
about the music of the Stones, the Doors, etc, in the 60s and 70s... but
yet, we have our classic rock....  (and btw, NWA broke up, the way I
understand it...)

response 44 of 133:

Nov 5 19:41 UTC 1993

  Hawkeye, I don't understand the distinction you're making.  Rap is not
reflecting anything different from grunge, that I can see.  Are you saying
that grunge singers just have bad things happen to them, and that rap
singers cause the bad things?  I think that this is untrue--as an example,
I present Nirvana's Kurt Cobain, heroin habit and all :)...  I doubt that
Dr. Dre or Easy E. or anyone else is any worse.  The only difference is
the color of the skin and the type of music that they're producing.

response 46 of 133:

Nov 6 04:35 UTC 1993

 Powie is right.  I watched 'grunge' videos on MTV today, & many of the
'grunge' videos glorified violence & romping on ho's.  Yep, uh-huh...

response 48 of 133:

Nov 6 07:02 UTC 1993

 No one ever claimed that rap had a monopoly on violent songs here.  What
I say is that the rap stuff plays a major part in a lot of stupid violence
& there is no counterpart with any other type of music.  I don't think you've
bothered to read the articles which I pointed out, but that is your problem
  The results of a lot of rap music is, unfortunately, society's problem.

        You don't even have to go into lyrics, just look at the titles of 
many ofthe rap songs -- "Bitches Ain't Shit," "You's a Bitch," "A Bitch Iz a 
Bitch," "The P is Free" ("The Pussy is free, but the crack costs money"),
"Just Don't Bite It," "Baby's Got Back," "Fuck That Motherficking Bullshit,"
"Sophisticated Bitch," & I'm not even going to go downstairs & read off the
titles --let alone the lyrics-- to a 2 Live Crew CD someone gave me.

        Don't forget the punk who killed a police officer, & then tried to
        blame
it on the RAP song he was listening to at the time, which said it was OK
to shoot cops.


        If you have examples of white people gettion violent & raping,
        shooting,
killing, etc. after listening to incentive grunge music, by all means, let
us know.
        Unfortunately, rap music strongly reflects certain parts of black
(that's right, powie, BLACK) society, & only KKK members are laughing about
it.