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mooncat
response 25 of 292: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 17:39 UTC 1999

i don't know if this is connected to Merit or not, however, U of M had
a fire (apparently) in the computer area, so they've been trying to deal
with this.  I can't get into my U of M mail (apparently only a few boxes
were destroyed and thus some people can get access and some can't.). That
may have a connection to the Merit problem. <shrugs> dunno.

rcurl
response 26 of 292: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 17:52 UTC 1999

That's probably it. 
mcnally
response 27 of 292: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 18:19 UTC 1999

  Yep..  According to reports, a bank of batteries in the Computing Center
  building caught fire and began leaking acid.  Fire crews shut down power
  to the building and it's taken a while to straighten things out..
flem
response 28 of 292: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 20:09 UTC 1999

That would explain it.  I can't get to my email either. 
otaking
response 29 of 292: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 20:56 UTC 1999

When I came into work this morning at UM North Campus, I was told that some
idiot severed a major internet connection with a backhoe in Ohio. The
university lost e-mail and internet access for the entire morning because of
it. I could only access UM sites from here until noon.
mcnally
response 30 of 292: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 22:54 UTC 1999

  That also happened.  (Backhoes:  nature's most fearsome predator of the
  helpless fiber-optic cable..)  If you're interested in reading about that
  one there was an article in today's (9/30) Wired News..
arvindm
response 31 of 292: Mark Unseen   Sep 30 23:19 UTC 1999

pass
keesan
response 32 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 01:37 UTC 1999

Dpfitzen reports a problem with getting disconnected when trying to send
e-mails.  Has this happened to anyone else (using Pine)?  I suggested that
it might be caused by hitting Alt-X (a Procomm command to hang up) instead
of Ctl-X, but would like to know if other people are getting disconnected
while sending e-mail with Pine.
aruba
response 33 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 05:23 UTC 1999

OK, this is really weird.  I tried to send mail just now and found that
somehow my .pinerc had changed, with a line added that said
  default-fcc=nagraj@diversion.com
THis caused pine to reject my mail, because I have no save folder called
"nagraj@diversion.com".  My .pinerc is permitted 644, so no one else should
have been able to touch it, and I don't remember ever seeing that address
before (and it isn't in my current mail file or any of my saved mail files).

I think I'll change my password, though as far as can tell from "last", no
one else has logged in as me today.  Any idea what happened?
pfv
response 34 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 05:27 UTC 1999

see 21
see 22

Something funky has been happening that "isn't a problem".

Additionally, I'm experiencing periodic "seizure", which I can't explain
where: everything runs fine, then exverything seems to halt, no text, no
echo, no answer to AYT and even pinging grex tends to fail.

Seems likely to be two distinct problems, but oops - prolly not "problems"
tsty
response 35 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 07:06 UTC 1999

fwiw   
[No name] (DIVER-HST)

   Hostname: DIVERSION.COM
   Address: 207.126.100.96
   System: ? running ?

   Record last updated on 18-Oct-96.
   Database last updated on 30-Sep-99 04:34:27 EDT.

gull
response 36 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 15:04 UTC 1999

ZDNet article on the fiber cut:
http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2343896,00.html

Article posted to mtu.resnet, forwarded from Jeff Ogden, describing in
detail the UM fire: http://www.tech.mtu.edu/~dmbrodbe/fire.txt
keesan
response 37 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 1 19:16 UTC 1999

I just got disconnected while in the Pine index and am now getting occasional
garbage in the middle of blank lines
Help (for more help), pine (fm
                              i   ia
                                   r 4 n

The above is typical.
mdw
response 38 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 03:02 UTC 1999

I got to look at CCB several times -- once just after the fire, when
there still a very thick haze of smoke inside (we went in, turned power
off on the IFS machines, and got out of there), and again late today, to
salvage non-critical hardware like power cables and the like.  The smoke
was almost entirely gone today when I looked, so I was able to wander
around back to the UPS area and look at where the fire started.  It took
me a bit to find it -- I had never been back there before, and there is
a maze of low down concrete rooms which house the boilers and other bits
of ventilation system.  I knew I had finally found the room, though,
when I found one which had a *black* ceiling.  There was a lot of broken
glass in there, as apparently all the ceiling fixtures had exploded in
the heat (wonder where all the mercury went?)

The UPS system has a large number of big blue 70's style black boxes,
with various sorts of cryptic labels on them.  I never did figure out
which ones (if any) housed the diesels, but along the back wall, there
were a number of big anonymous looking boxes that turned out to be the
battery racks.  I could tell because the furthest one back was *the* one
that burned.  The blue paint had turned into white ash, the shiny metal
under it was black with corrosion and soot, and of course, the batteries
were still inside.  The ones in the bottom half of the case didn't look
too bad, they were still white plastic cases on shelves.  Along the top
half, though, the cases were severely melted and carbonized, and had
mostly slumped into a thick lumpy glaze on the tops of the batteries.
(The shelf probably kept the bottoms from getting so hot).  The wiring
conduits above these batteries had definitely undergone an unusual
experience.  These were basically aluminum tubing with really heavy
gauge wire rope conductors inside.  Presuambly they had once been
insulated, but evidently where the insulation had melted, the conductors
had touched the tubing, and vaporized it.  So the tubing basically had
very elongaged and slightly irregular holes chewed along one side of it.

There were several other UPS boxes next to the battery case, and while
these weren't in nearly as bad a shape as the battery case, they showed
distinct signs of damage.  These cases happened to have small control
panels on them, with some sort of meter (voltage?  current?) consisting
of a glass faceplate and black plastic framing it.  Much of this had
melted and deformed in the heat, giving it a very surrealistic
apparance.

Apparently, the fire put itself out.  Lucky us.
other
response 39 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 04:36 UTC 1999

i'll bet that the sheer volume of smoke and already oxidized gases choked out
the fire by starving it of sufficient oxygen to keep it going.  between that
and the soot and acid gas, it makes a good argument for keeping these things
in a *poorly* ventilated, cool basement room.
aruba
response 40 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 2 13:28 UTC 1999

Thanks for the description, Marcus.
tod
response 41 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 14:34 UTC 1999

re #38
Didn't the data center have a form of automated fire protection?
I understand that housing such a vast quantity of batteries in one
place constitutes a severe fire hazard.
..
davel
response 42 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 15:49 UTC 1999

Yesterday, repeated efforts to log in connected to the termserver (got the
"Welcome to Grex!  (it may take a few seconds to connect)" message), followed
quickly by a disconnect.  An attempt to come in over the net got "connection
refused".
orinoco
response 43 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 22:38 UTC 1999

I had an interesting error when I was on Grex this morning.  I was typing a
response somewhere, when suddenly every keystroke just made the computer beep
at me.  I have _no_ idea if this was the fault of the computer I was on, or
of Grex, sinec I had to run anyway and I'm now logging on from a different
computer.  Who knows...
scott
response 44 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 3 22:42 UTC 1999

Probably your own computer, complaining about something.  Was it Windows? 
Had you hit the ALT key by accident?
gelinas
response 45 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 00:32 UTC 1999

No, the data center did not have a fire suppression system.  Or so I've
heard; I've not actually investigated it myself.  The new data center
does have a sprinkler system.
mdw
response 46 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 01:37 UTC 1999

Actually, what the old building needed was a smoke alarm.  I think it
did have sprinklers in some places, but not in the UPS bunker.  As it
happened, the fire *did* announce itself to public safety -- when the
temperature and power went out of bounds, and unfortunately after a lot
of smoke had been generated and a lot of wiring melted.  The nice thing
about the old building was that the UPS was in fact in a concrete bunker
well separated from the building, and concrete does not burn very well
at all.  It's too bad it shared the same ventilation system, otherwise,
the disaster could have been a lot less annoying.

I doubt any standard sort of fire suppression system would have done
much good for the UPS.  Sprinklers would have just dumped water on the
batteries, which probably would have then shorted out that much faster
and more violently.  A halon suppression system (which is now illegal to
install) probably wouldn't have made any difference to the short, but
would have interacted in a very interesting but probably much more
deadly fashion with the subsequent electrical fire (it probably would
have decomposed, releasing much greater amounts of chlorine, flourine,
and etc., which would have greatly hampered recovery efforts and
probably damaged more equipment.)
gull
response 47 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 13:01 UTC 1999

Really, until the short condition (assuming that's what it was) was removed,
nothing was likely to put out the fire.  Were the batteries equipped with
fusable links, I wonder?
rcurl
response 48 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 15:15 UTC 1999

I've  heard of exploding lead-acid batteries in cars, and have thought
it was a hydrogen-air explosion, but come to think of it, the plates
in the battery are quite close together, and a internal short is quite'
possible. That should lead to some fireworks in a fully charged battery.
There would be no possible external protection against such a failure,
except to not have the explosion of one battery short or disrupt others. 
I would be interested in what was the initial failure mode, if it can be
determined, as I use lead-acid batteries in more than my car.
gull
response 49 of 292: Mark Unseen   Oct 4 19:08 UTC 1999

It seems like a hydrogen/air explosion in any one battery wouldn't produce
enough heat for long enough to start a fire, but I could be wrong.  The
continual smokey smoldering that it sounds like occurred sounds more like an
electrical fire to me.  We had a maintenance-free lead-acid battery explode
on a travel trailer once, and there was no sign of burning or melting
damage.  (The battery was outside, on the A-frame, next to the propane
tanks.)
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