response 25 of 104:

Jul 23 06:49 UTC 1996

There *is* no good argument against <$0 $1>, except that it's redundant.
There *are* good arguments against <$1>, and frankly, I think part of the
problem (if not the entire problem) is people confusing <$0 $1> with <$1>.
Most of the argumetns I can think of against <$0 $1> are also arguments
against <$0 is $1>, and there are no attempts to get rid of /is... Is there
really a difference between:
<brighn kicks carson's ass from here to Kingdom Come>
and
<brighn is kicking carson's ass from here to Kingdom Come>
or between
<brighn completely fucks carson up>
and
<brighn is completely fucking carson up>  ?

<$0 $1> sounds better, but there can just as much malice done with /is, so
what's the problem?
(Disclaimer:  I used carson above because I'm too tired to make someone up
and I figure carson has a good enough sense of humor to know I'm not picking
on him to be mean.  I wish I could say as much for everyone.  =} )

response 27 of 104:

Jul 23 09:55 UTC 1996

personal customization of a thought .... specific to the situation.
  
sufficient and necessary evidence for me....
/

response 29 of 104:

Jul 23 14:48 UTC 1996

Please just give us the darn noise!  If somebody doesn't like /emote, 
then they are not forced to use it.  If somebody doesn't want to see 
noises, then they can just type ":set noshownoise" and they will see no 
more noises.

response 31 of 104:

Jul 23 19:35 UTC 1996

I dislike /is as much as /emote.  But again, I don't party enough to care
which noises are available here.

I think there is a pretty strong consensus that /emote is OK.  I don't think
the board is likely to want to vote on this.  They will likely leave it in
the hands of the partyadm people.  But that's just me guessing.

I'm really pleased to see all these people speaking up in coop.  I hope some
of them are reading some of the other items too.

response 33 of 104:

Jul 23 20:49 UTC 1996

I spend almost no time in party, so I don't want my comments to have much
weight here.  But I'd point out that I have seen /emote abused on muds, to
the point where people were ready to leave the system rather than receive rude
/emotes.  Ryan, you say that if people don't like /emote, they shouldn't use
it.  But you're missing the point that the people who don't like /emote are
the people who are on the *receiving* end of rude /emotes, not the people who
are using /emote.  In the muds I'm thinking of, people were using /emote as a
substitute for things like a /rape command.  Frankly, I'd leave too, if random
strangers were /emoting things like /rape at me.


Someone back there pointed out that practically everyone responding to this
item is in favor of an /emote command.  I'd like to point out what the
party motd says right now, every time someone joins party:

> If you want emote for party, you'd better get yourself to Co-op *now* to 
> let your voice be heard, because it is being decided *now*.  Type:
>       !bbs coop
> then type:
>       read 94
> to let your voice be heard.  

This is somewhat biased.  If I went into party and didn't want an /emote
noise, I'm not sure I'd realize from this message that I, too, should go to
coop item 94 to discuss it.



All that said, I'm actually rather on the fence about the idea of having
an /emote noise for Grex.  People in party who want to hurt other people
can come up with dozens of other clever ways to do it, with or without an
/emote noise.  Also, there are times when I've very much wanted an /emote
noise in party myself.

Mostly, though, I use party so rarely that I don't think I should have much
of a voice in this decision.  If most people want an /emote noise, by all
means go ahead and create it.

response 35 of 104:

Jul 23 22:20 UTC 1996

That's what :ignore and :noshownoise are for.  Although this won't stop
others from reading the noises, assholes are usually ignored by anyone who
knows how.

response 37 of 104:

Jul 23 22:21 UTC 1996

Brian slipped in with a good point.

response 39 of 104:

Jul 23 23:09 UTC 1996

/emote3 is *not* the same as /is
/emote3 can be used for possession as well:
/emote3 hand is slapping rob silly
/emote3 singing a merry tune
Only the second can be done with /is:
/is singing a merry tune
(not that i'm suggesting using /emote3... i'm not, just pointing that out.
/emote3 can be accomplished nearly as well with /emote 's hand is slapping
rob silly)
  
For the party impaired:
<brighn's hand is slapping rob silly> (first example)
<brighn's singing a merry tune> (second example)
<brighn is singing a merry tune> (third example)
<brighn 's hand is slapping rob silly> (fourth example)

/emote3 running like Hell before rob reads this post

response 41 of 104:

Jul 24 02:31 UTC 1996

Okay.  Point taken from Valerie about the biased party.motd.  I'm about to
go update it to be a little more "fair".  

Also, I'm not about to go add any <$1> noises in there again.  I've learned
about how easily those can be abused.  What I was proposing was <$0 $1>,
although the /emote, /emote2, and /emote3 that maus suggested sound fine by
me.  (Do they not sound fine by anyone else?)

Anyway, after I update the party.motd, do people think that it would be okay
to add the emote noise(s) after about a day (or so) more of conversation here?

response 43 of 104:

Jul 24 08:55 UTC 1996

 <glitter begs partadm for a working emote>
 <glitter swears the grexxers wont abuse it> (the ones she knows anyway)
 <glitter loves everything about grex, except that it doesnt have emote>
 <glitter likes to be creative and make her own noises>
 <glitter prays to the almighty emote god>
 <glitter has had her say, and now she is leaving>
P.S.  Everyone knows how "noisy" i can be in party, and thats WITHOUT an
emote, so i dont see how emote could make it any worse.  If anything, I will
be able to put my intelligence and creativity to use, instead of spending half
the day doing !findnoise and then forgetting what the damn noise was an hour
later.  Please grant our request for an /emote!!
 <glitter thanks you>

response 45 of 104:

Jul 24 12:14 UTC 1996

<Vote ryan1-EMOTE in '96>

response 47 of 104:

Jul 26 03:54 UTC 1996

Okay.  Since there seem to be no objections about me expediting this, I'm
going to go ahead and add the emote stuff.  

Of course, if the tide of popularity for this idea starts to ebb, it's just
as easy to remove the noises as it is to add them . . . 

response 49 of 104:

Jul 26 10:55 UTC 1996

I don't mind an emote noise.