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Grex > Coop8 > #63: Making "Intro" the default conference | |
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dam
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response 25 of 126:
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May 7 01:48 UTC 1996 |
I think it wouldn't be a bad idea for a test. I think it might turn into a
seperate common/general sort of conference, as described in item 36 resp 75,
and I don't like that idea, but I think it might be worth a try anyway.
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brighn
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response 26 of 126:
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May 7 02:02 UTC 1996 |
(I know, Scott, I'm playing Devil's Advocate)
You're tripping up on your own argumentation, Richard,
but I'll let it drop. You don't need my help to look like a fool.
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scg
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response 27 of 126:
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May 7 02:09 UTC 1996 |
I'm not overly excited about it, but I've been hearing people talk about this
for far too long to not be curious about how it will work. Go for it.
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popcorn
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response 28 of 126:
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May 7 02:13 UTC 1996 |
Hm. Last I heard, Rob was maybe going to redefine the "enter" command so that
newbies couldn't enter items in intro without first learning how to redefine
commands, which definitely isn't a newbie-level skill. This means that there
wouldn't be terribly many unintended items in intro, so there would probably
be little need to move items from intro to other conferences. So the whole
question of juggling agora and intro fair witnesses is moot....
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kerouac
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response 29 of 126:
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May 7 02:15 UTC 1996 |
brighn, I guess it would take a fool to know one...but really if I was fw
of intro, maybe I wouldnt mind if it became an agora for newbies. I was
just under the impression that this was something that rob, acting as a
conduit for the board, wanted to avoid. And if this is the case, the
most logical way to keep this from happening is for rob to be a really
hands on fw and link left and right.
After all, agora itself isnt as
active as it has been in past incarnations, and this will doubtless cut
into current agora activity. But in this case, the positives outweight
the negatives.
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kerouac
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response 30 of 126:
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May 7 02:18 UTC 1996 |
I think newbies should be able to enter items in Intro, it defeats the
purpose of the conf if newbies cant interact and ask questions...if its
read-only it may not be worth doing.
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janc
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response 31 of 126:
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May 7 02:40 UTC 1996 |
They can enter responses. If they try to enter an item it tells them to join
some other conference and enter it there. I think that is fine.
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adbarr
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response 32 of 126:
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May 7 03:31 UTC 1996 |
Beware the Grexbat! If some here don't stop name-calling, it shall be
applied, with vigor!
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robh
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response 33 of 126:
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May 7 08:32 UTC 1996 |
Re 29 and 30 - That's why I left item 3 unfrozen, so new folks
could enter something in the Intro conference if they wanted to.
Re 23 - Don't I know it! >8(
Re 28 - Rob has every intention of doing that as soon as someone
who knows more about PicoSpan than Rob does tells him which file
he needs to put that command in. (Rob has never used conference
rc files before.)
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yoyo
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response 34 of 126:
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May 7 09:05 UTC 1996 |
first go for it and I'm all for the read only part
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remmers
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response 35 of 126:
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May 7 10:08 UTC 1996 |
Does anybody have criteria in mind for deciding whether the
experiment is a success of failure?
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robh
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response 36 of 126:
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May 7 15:10 UTC 1996 |
(Funny, I was just asking myself the same thing...)
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rcurl
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response 37 of 126:
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May 7 17:35 UTC 1996 |
If it becomes fun, it will be a success; if it becomes a drag, it is a
failure.
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janc
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response 38 of 126:
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May 7 17:57 UTC 1996 |
I've been thinking that once we know what the effect of intro is, we will
still have to do some arguing over whether that effect is desirable or not.
So what?
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kerouac
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response 39 of 126:
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May 7 19:21 UTC 1996 |
no point in setting specific criteria, just specific timetables...I'd
like to see this in place all summer and any final decisions can be made
before the fall agora restart.
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aruba
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response 40 of 126:
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May 8 05:15 UTC 1996 |
What does the decision have to do with the Fall restart?
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popcorn
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response 41 of 126:
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May 8 05:31 UTC 1996 |
Re 33: Rob, to define an "enter" command, join the intro conference and type
"set rc". Then add a line that says:
define e_nter 9 'unix "/foo/bar/baz/enter_msg"
where /foo/bar/baz/enter_msg is the name of a shell script to run
that dumps a message on the screen about why enter is turned off in
the intro conference and what to do to enter an item.
Then 9 is necessary; so is the weird assortment of quotation marks.
You can find more info about defining and redefining Picospan commands with
"help define" and "help defcom".
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robh
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response 42 of 126:
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May 8 07:22 UTC 1996 |
Thanks very much!
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davel
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response 43 of 126:
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May 8 10:04 UTC 1996 |
If the "weird assortment of quotation marks" is taken to include the unmatched
apostrophe, I don't *think* it's necessary - and it's apt to be confusing to
people faced with this kind of thing for the first time. Just my $.02 ...
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davel
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response 44 of 126:
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May 8 10:06 UTC 1996 |
(that is, I think adding an apostrophe at the end of the magic line given in
#41 both works & is clearer. The apostrophe given *is* necessary.)
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robh
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response 45 of 126:
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May 8 14:31 UTC 1996 |
I actually did it without the trailing ', as popcorn gave it,
and it seems to have worked.
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kerouac
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response 46 of 126:
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May 9 01:46 UTC 1996 |
I just thought that if this doesnt work, the most obvious time to change the
default back to Agora would be immediately after a re-start, thats why I
suggested timing it as such
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aruba
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response 47 of 126:
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May 9 03:42 UTC 1996 |
How hard would it be to have newuser give people a choice of what they want
their start-up conference to be? Just describe the differences between
Intro and Agora (one is moderated and designed as an introduction, and one
is much more of a free-for-all), and let the new user decide. This is a
common distinction between Usenet newsgroups; people familiar with those will
get the idea right away. What is it that says all new users must start in the
same place?
I have no problem with the two coexisting, as long as the above distinction is
carefully drawn. But if Intro begins to look like it's trying to replace
Agora as the, shall we say, "flagship" of the Grex conferencing system (I
know some of you will disagree with that characterization, but that's the way
I've always seen it), I'm going to cry foul. I agree with Mary, et. al.,
that the flagship conference ought to be uncensored and, well, somewhat
chaotic. That's Grex at its best, IMO, and I think Katie has done a good job
of fostering that environment.
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nephi
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response 48 of 126:
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May 9 04:25 UTC 1996 |
Well, I think that if we give the option, we'd better give a really easy way
for newbies to switch their default to intro. Otherwise, I smell lots of
newby requests to staff . . .
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scg
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response 49 of 126:
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May 9 05:21 UTC 1996 |
Although I can see lots of newbie requests going the other way as well.
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