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Grex > Coop8 > #48: Should we put old agoras on-line? | |
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remmers
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response 25 of 54:
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Apr 9 13:36 UTC 1996 |
Perhaps. But for the purpose at hand--putting up old agoras for
people to look at--you wouldn't need linking.
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albaugh
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response 26 of 54:
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Apr 9 16:41 UTC 1996 |
Removing the write permission might prevent the software from creating or
responding to items. But the way in which this might be manifested might
not be particularly user friendly...
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ajax
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response 27 of 54:
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Apr 9 17:48 UTC 1996 |
I don't really see what's wrong with letting people write to the old
conferences. I doubt it will be done much, and it would probably be
read even less, but I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed. People
might have some interesting updates or comments to add.
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steve
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response 28 of 54:
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Apr 9 19:28 UTC 1996 |
That violates my sense of "purity" of the old conferences. They
were created in a different age (albeit only a max of 4.5 years ago).
Let them be.
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kerouac
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response 29 of 54:
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Apr 9 19:32 UTC 1996 |
I agree...let them be read only...better to have people who want to
respond to those items do so in the current confs.
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popcorn
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response 30 of 54:
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Apr 10 09:01 UTC 1996 |
Me three. Would it work to put the conferences on line, read-only, and create
an item in the current agora conference announcing that they're there, and
accepting comments about the old agoras in the item in the current agora
conference?
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dang
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response 31 of 54:
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Apr 10 14:44 UTC 1996 |
or freeze all the items in the old agoras and have an item in each one of
themfor comment? I know that I would probably just not comment rather than
going to another cf to comment.
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arthurp
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response 32 of 54:
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Apr 11 12:17 UTC 1996 |
The items in all the confs are already r--r--r--. If they weren't I could
go in and edit everything Brighn has said to make him look like an idiot, or
some other such silly and malicious thing. The only 'person' that has write
on these files would be picospan. It pipes in stuff on your behalf thus
allowing it to control what you do to prevent malicious stuff. So I guess
freezing all the items is the only way. Unless Picospan supports (or gets
changed to support) some other way. :(
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remmers
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response 33 of 54:
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Apr 11 12:38 UTC 1996 |
No, conference items are permitted rw-r--r-- and owned by cfadm.
This enables Picospan to write to them, but not users except
through Picospan.
Freezing all the items won't guarantee that there will be no
responses, since Picospan allows the person who entered an
item to unfreeze it.
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remmers
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response 34 of 54:
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Apr 11 12:45 UTC 1996 |
Picospan appears to freeze an item by changing its permissions
to r--r--r--.
I wonder if Picospan would choke if the item files were owned by
by some entity other than cfadm. If not, then a way to make
items un-thawable would be permit them r--r--r-- and have them
not owned by cfadm.
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davel
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response 35 of 54:
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Apr 11 13:46 UTC 1996 |
Valerie already suggested this to me when I wondered about the thawing issue.
Seems as though it might work ... but then I doubt that the ordinary FW link
commands would work, which might disgruntle some people.
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brighn
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response 36 of 54:
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Apr 11 13:51 UTC 1996 |
Chaz, you don't have to rewrite my posts to make me look like an idiot.
I generally do a fine job of doing that all by myself. *g*
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remmers
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response 37 of 54:
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Apr 11 17:32 UTC 1996 |
The more I think about it, the more I think it would be nice to
be able to respond to items in a restored old agora. As people
read the items, comments are bound to occur to them, and it
seems cumbersome to make them respond somewhere else. The
"original" of the conference will still exist somewhere, so
it's not as if history is being rewritten or anything.
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remmers
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response 38 of 54:
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Apr 11 17:34 UTC 1996 |
Actually, I have a complete archival copy of Agora 1 on floppy.
Would it be okay if I upload it and set it up as a conference?
I think I'd have time to do it this weekend.
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popcorn
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response 39 of 54:
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Apr 12 06:45 UTC 1996 |
That's what I was thinking I'd do. If you get to it first, go for it.
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popcorn
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response 40 of 54:
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Apr 12 06:45 UTC 1996 |
(I'd've made it read only, though).
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popcorn
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response 41 of 54:
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Apr 12 06:46 UTC 1996 |
(I mean, otherwise what if the discussion starts up again? Should someone
download agora 1 and archive it as agora 1b? What if that gets taken off line
and then later is restored and people comment on it. Agora 1c?)
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ajax
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response 42 of 54:
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Apr 12 22:06 UTC 1996 |
Aren't most of Grex's entire partitions backed up, with any conferences
on-line along with them?
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arthurp
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response 43 of 54:
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Apr 12 23:32 UTC 1996 |
As long as we didn't have repeated restores and removals creating sync
problems it shouldn't matter if people respond to old stuff. There is a date
included in their heading.
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popcorn
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response 44 of 54:
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Apr 15 16:35 UTC 1996 |
Re 42: Yup, though old backups on 9-track tape are someplace between difficult
and impossible to restore things from.
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steve
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response 45 of 54:
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Apr 15 21:29 UTC 1996 |
Not impossible, just difficult. Either Marcus or Greg needs to
get a 9-track tape drive on their systems. It can definitely be
done. Should be, really.
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nephi
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response 46 of 54:
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Apr 17 05:03 UTC 1996 |
I'd really like to see the old Agoras and Co-ops made read only, but that
seems like an emotional response since I can't back it up with any logical
*reason* why it should be so.
I still, somehow, would like to see the history in them not be defiled by
letting new people write to them . . . huh.
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remmers
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response 47 of 54:
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Apr 17 10:47 UTC 1996 |
The originals would still exist elsewhere. Making them respondable
would provide the opportunity for people to comment on history from
today's perspective. ("Wow, this issue sure looks different today
than it did in 1991...")
I didn't get around to uploading the Agora 1 last weekend. Maybe
next. Be forewarned that it's a *big* conference -- around 300
items. It was before the days of the "seasonal" Agoras and went
almost a year before being restarted.
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sidhe
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response 48 of 54:
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Apr 21 04:36 UTC 1996 |
Personally, being no fan of the big lummoxing things, I see no need
to bring them back, when I'd rather see the current and all future ones
go away permanently.
But, to each their own.
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davel
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response 49 of 54:
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Apr 21 17:58 UTC 1996 |
Actually, having a bit more time on Grex these days (or a bit more
otherwise-unallocated, anyway), I've been reading agora. I think it's less
insanely active than it was for a while, and the drivel ratio is down
somewhat, I'd say. But in any case I'm enjoying it tolerably well. (It had
been at least a year since I finally gave up in disgust.)
If we're going to have the old ones on line, I'd much rather see them somehow
made read-only, to keep the *current* discussions from being scattered so
widely.
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