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popcorn
response 25 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 22 21:07 UTC 1996

Also, what about people who are elected to the board and then later added to
the staff?  It's happened a number of times.
janc
response 26 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 22 22:27 UTC 1996

This item is about nominations.  I'll move the staff/board separation
discussion to another item.
mta
response 27 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 02:04 UTC 1996

In that item, Jan had some truly excellent points.  I nominate ajax!
ajax
response 28 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 04:44 UTC 1996

Thanks, but I'll pass.
nsiddall
response 29 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 04:53 UTC 1996

I second all the above nominations.  And I'll be becoming a member
shortly, just so I can have the honor of accepting Valerie's nomination.
(Also because I've decided I trust you all to spend my money in a way
that generates high social utility.)  I plan to cast my vote for Valerie.
In fact, if elected, I would introduce an amendment to the bylaws making
Valerie responsible for everything.
scg
response 30 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 05:20 UTC 1996

I think Valerie migh object to that...
void
response 31 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 06:38 UTC 1996

   re #'s 21 and 29: i'm not a member, and therefore am unable to run for the
board. thanks for thinking of me, though. ;)
davel
response 32 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 11:57 UTC 1996

Valerie's already complaining about feeling that people *act* as if she's
responsible for everything.  But some other folks might vote for you on that
platform.
tsty
response 33 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 12:15 UTC 1996

hmmm, this is the nominations item. and just checked, kerouac's not eligible.
 
the next item has a toasty faux pas then, reading in reverse as i do.
popcorn
response 34 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 16:07 UTC 1996

(Re 29: Actually, you get 3 votes in this election, because there are 3
seats on the board available.)
albaugh
response 35 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 19:46 UTC 1996

<drift=on>
Re: board members "recycling" - if grex is like any small organization I've
been involved with, yes, you try to have very noble rules about term limits,
so as to encourage the infusion of new blood into the ruling party.  But guess
what, most people are happy to have somebody else do the work and make the
decisions, so unless something really untoward occurs, the same people get
chosen anyway, due to voter apathy/if-it-ain-t-broke-don't-fix-it.
janc
response 36 of 246: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 20:55 UTC 1996

You can call it apathy, or you can call it satisfaction.  Or you can point
out that most people who choose to become members do so because they like
the organization as it is and as it is run, so of course they tend to vote
for the same or similar leaders.  Ever noticed how many of our less-satisfied
users are not members?  A system where only supporters of the system are
allowed to vote is, of course, innately conservative.
marlo
response 37 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 21:14 UTC 1996

I would like to nominate myself. Kimberly Perkins
I am not a staff member but I feel that I will get the job done with just a
little patients from my fellow people.
adbarr
response 38 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 21:44 UTC 1996

Only if you change your name to Steve. It is part of the unwritten rules.
kerouac
response 39 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 22:42 UTC 1996

I'm sure you'd be great but I dont see a "marlo" on the memberlist...grex has
this
silly rule thatou have to be a member to serve on the board.  *sigh*
pfv
response 40 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 23:01 UTC 1996

        Silly? I think not, personally.

        However, a three month lag before the account is "recognized"
        is indeed silly.
ajax
response 41 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 01:05 UTC 1996

  Does Grex have an official rule that only members can serve on the
board, or is that covered by some higher authority like Michigan law?
The introduction to this item implies that you must be a member to be
on the board, but I didn't find that mentioned in the bylaws (read
item 2 to see them).
 
  I am sure that there's no lag to be "recognized" on Grex - that's on
M-Net.  On Grex, if you pay in advance for three months of membership
($18), you're eligible to vote immediately.
scg
response 42 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 03:28 UTC 1996

Right, if marlo wants to run for the board, she's welcome to pay for three
months of membership anytime between now and the beginning of the election.
robh
response 43 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 11:21 UTC 1996

Re 41:

Article 3
Section A

        The Board of Directors (BOD) shall consist of seven *members*
        (emphasis mine -rh) of Grex, and shall include...

So yes, the bylaws do specify that only paying members may serve
on the Board.
ajax
response 44 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 16:14 UTC 1996

Aha, thanks!
pfv
response 45 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 16:36 UTC 1996

Re: #41

        Yeah, I know.. I was sorta' hoping that only arbornet was that
        moronic.
eskarina
response 46 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 18:22 UTC 1996

Is there anywhere on grex where I can read an entire copy of the bylaws?
kerouac
response 47 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 19:05 UTC 1996

Ah but it actually says the board must consist of seven "members of 
grex", it does NOT say "members of Cyberspace Inc." and the bylaws dont 
define a member of grex as meaning a member of Cyberspace Inc.  Grex is 
this BBS, Cyberspace Inc. is the group that runs it.  They are separate 
entities.

  Paying the dues makes you a member of Cyberspace Inc., but just having 
a login makes you (according to the Webster's defintion of "member" 
which defines as "being part of or a participant in") a member of Grex.
And the bylaws say that a "member of grex" may run for the board.

So I would say, as the bylaws are currently worded, a non-member cant 
legally be prevented from running for the Board.  I second Marlo's 
nomination.  Of course the bylaws DO say you have to be a member to 
vote, so she couldnt vote for herself.  But oh well.
scg
response 48 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 19:11 UTC 1996

The bylaws seem to use Grex and Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
interchangably, I think.  (note that I haven't read them lately)
scott
response 49 of 246: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 20:12 UTC 1996

The bylaws *and* the Articles of Incorporation are among the first items here
in the Coop conference.
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