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Grex > Coop8 > #115: Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances through 8/31/96 |  |
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remmers
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response 25 of 119:
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Oct 5 19:56 UTC 1996 |
<remmers notes that great art is characterized by its ability
to evoke universal themes from everyday experience, considers
how mundane topics like "Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
finances through 3/31/96" end up dealing with heavy issues
like the role of government in society, and concludes that this
item and many of its cousins in the Coop conference may be among
the greatest works of art ever produced>
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dang
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response 26 of 119:
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Oct 5 21:38 UTC 1996 |
:)
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popcorn
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response 27 of 119:
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Oct 6 00:18 UTC 1996 |
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chelsea
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response 28 of 119:
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Oct 6 14:48 UTC 1996 |
I've often wondered if that mistake is correctable and what
the implications of changing to a legal co-op would be.
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dang
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response 29 of 119:
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Oct 6 17:48 UTC 1996 |
What's the difference?
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krj
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response 30 of 119:
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Oct 6 19:10 UTC 1996 |
... and, why fix it if it isn't broke?
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popcorn
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response 31 of 119:
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Oct 6 22:43 UTC 1996 |
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danr
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response 32 of 119:
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Oct 6 23:46 UTC 1996 |
That's a good question, actually. Perhaps if we were a coop, there
would be more incentive for members to invest. On the other hand,
coops usually exist to benefit their members, and members usually get
perks. That's something that's definitely "un-grexian."
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dang
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response 33 of 119:
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Oct 7 16:18 UTC 1996 |
That's true. Lots of co-ops I've heard of *only* allow members to use them.
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ladyevil
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response 34 of 119:
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Oct 7 23:02 UTC 1996 |
ugh. Let's not be more coopian, if that's what it means.
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steve
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response 35 of 119:
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Oct 7 23:21 UTC 1996 |
No, it doesn't have to be that way, thankfully. For example,
the People's Food Coop in Ann Arbor gives discounts and the ability
to vote to its members, but anyone can wander in off the street and
buy thigns there.
Back during the founders meetings in 1990/91, I think that
Valerie, Marcus and myself were thinking of the PFC when we were
thinking of how to structure Grex. (right, folks?)
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popcorn
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response 36 of 119:
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Oct 8 01:06 UTC 1996 |
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mta
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response 37 of 119:
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Oct 8 02:00 UTC 1996 |
Thanks for remembering, Valerie! Yes, that's true.
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scg
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response 38 of 119:
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Oct 8 03:36 UTC 1996 |
I think the current structure is working quite well. I don't see any reason
to change it.
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rcurl
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response 39 of 119:
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Oct 8 05:22 UTC 1996 |
Coops are essentially mercenary. I like the non-mercenary aspect of Grex
(even while wishing for more people to become members or donate - at least
all that is charitable, not mercenary).
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ajax
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response 40 of 119:
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Oct 8 05:32 UTC 1996 |
For those unfamiliar with mercenary as an adjective, as I was until I
grabbed my dictionary just now, "working or done for payment only." :-)
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tsty
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response 41 of 119:
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Oct 8 06:42 UTC 1996 |
so how much payment has been made for the work done? hmmmm, maybe the
coop as mercenary doesn't fit all that well. the only two obvious
examples of a coop that i know of dont fit very well.
maybe someone interested enough could check out the potential(s)
of becoming a coop sted a inc. organization.
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pfv
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response 42 of 119:
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Oct 8 10:29 UTC 1996 |
Party is that resource intensive? Which resources? CPU or
memory/disk?
Would IRC use less? I mean.. With a local-only IRC you no longer
use the party logs.. Is that less intensive?
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scott
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response 43 of 119:
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Oct 8 10:56 UTC 1996 |
party is intensive because it's somebody logged in , using a modem or pty.
Party doesn't actually use a lot of overhead, otherwise, but we do have a lot
of people using party (and only party).
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rcurl
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response 44 of 119:
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Oct 8 14:57 UTC 1996 |
Re #41: TS, all co-ops are created to reduce expenses for the members by
bulk buying, distributing profits, etc. This is a mercenary purpose. What
co-op do you know without this purpose? I've felt that some that say they
want Grex to be a "co-op" really mean that they want it to operate
cooperatively. "Operating cooperatively" includes a wide range of
organizations, including member-based charitable non-profits and
member-based cooperative non-profits, but the two are distinct legal
entities with very different financial propositions. The latter are in
business solely to reduce expenses by sharing.
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pfv
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response 45 of 119:
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Oct 8 16:26 UTC 1996 |
re: #43..
So, then party is no more resource-intensive than IRC would be, or
Picospan is..?
I guess I misunderstand, then (thanks btw).. Would you rather have
all of the umm... "Party-Users" (polite term) ruining the
conferences?
Currently, I'd say the saving grace here is that you _do_ have
such a neat split - on Mnut the dolts generally trash the confs
and proceed to join party for the same purpose.
Lord knows we tried a Science 'discussion' on Mnut, (several
times), and we all just drifted off as the dolts began to kibitz.
One of the nicest confs (I really don't even *want* to know how
many Grex has) here is the Science Conf.. Sometimes it's WAAAY
over your (my) head, but it's also nice to ask questions and get
reasonable answers.
To attempt a similar discussion/assistance in party (at least on
mnut), generally results in the twits getting peeved because they
can neither contribute or understand..
I guess perhaps I don't understand why _anyone_ would prefer to
have the confs flooded with greater numbers of people, when they
*know* that the twit/noise ratio would leap as well..
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janc
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response 46 of 119:
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Oct 8 17:29 UTC 1996 |
Grex has grown an awful lot in the last five years. The twit/noise
ratio has been pretty constant. When more people come in, most of them
still turn out to be cool people. Slow growth can work.
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popcorn
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response 47 of 119:
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Oct 8 19:42 UTC 1996 |
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krj
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response 48 of 119:
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Oct 8 19:46 UTC 1996 |
I guess I would like to see an argument laying out the benefits
of legally reorganizing Grex as a coop. "We meant to do it that way"
and "We want to be like the Food Co-op" are the only supporting
statements I see.
Poor pfv. Stuck in a universe of dolts. I'm reminded of the old prayer:
"May God grant me the strength to change the things I can,
the serenity to accept the things I can't change,
and the wisdom to know the difference."
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davel
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response 49 of 119:
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Oct 8 21:01 UTC 1996 |
(Sometimes the twits grow up, too.)
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