response 25 of 70:

Jun 7 01:25 UTC 1995

I know lots and lots of people on this, who if given a password would do
exactly that.  I know very few people on this system who if give a
password would use it to hose the user's account.  Most people have ethics.

response 27 of 70:

Jun 8 04:57 UTC 1995

But since being in the .rhosts file gets you the same things you could get
by knowing the password, adding somebody to a .rhosts file is the same as
giving out a password.  It doesn't matter how you gave avi the "keys" to 
blob's account.  What matters is that you let him in, knowing that you had
not right to do so.

response 29 of 70:

Jun 9 03:40 UTC 1995

Let's say there's somebody you know in school, who always helps you whenever
you're having trouble with an assignment.  One day, while you're walking home
from school, you see this person trying to break into a house you know he has
no right to be in.  He is having a little bit of trouble, and asks you to help
him.  Do you do it?

response 31 of 70:

Jun 9 14:28 UTC 1995

        What if you don't know he has no right being there?

response 33 of 70:

Jun 9 22:26 UTC 1995

<Selena will take it to scruples, then> 
        I still object to action being taken, on the ASSUMPTION he
knew the action was a bad thing.

response 35 of 70:

Jun 10 13:23 UTC 1995

Hoohah...don't bring me in the dirt again, now people.:)
Anyhow, i dunno if i already sed anything in this item, but I doubt i did.
I really didn't want to respond to an item involving something, I did, 
because it'd make me and ryan look like a team or something, and
me saying something would be like clyde gettin bonnie outta jail.
Anyway - some very good points are being brought up, and in a way,
if you look at it in this sort of light, ryan did do worse than me
because he was the key to the whole thing, if you look at it that way,
but I don't, and I don't find it fair because at the time, I told
ryan that the only thing I was going to do was change his prompt
to "Avi wuz here, fear him% " or something like that.
Something not so destructive, but then I got more and more pissed off
because I read a screenlog and saw him tryin to piss me off, and
all this other harassment crap and delted all my scripts outta the dir.
Before I deleted them though, I read them to see any changes he might
have made, so when if he wanted them back, I'd give them to him.
I saw he only edited my credit, saying he was the author...
That really made me mad, so I checked to see if the files
wre anywhere else on grex, (and they were), and deleted all of his
files and put those fake dirs in.  I only told ryan I was going
to delete all his files AFTER I did it.
        Now granted, he might have assumed I was going to mess
blob up more than just something pointless like a prompt change, 
but that'd be just an assumption, because I told him otherwise.
I don't know why i'm saying this, but I dunno if it'll help.

response 37 of 70:

Jun 11 05:07 UTC 1995

So the thief received what some would consider "just desserts."
  
And Grex sweeps away all the "servers."  Something to include in
a resume', huh? 

response 39 of 70:

Jun 11 11:55 UTC 1995

I think TS is saying that avi was giving blob what blob deserved for
plagarizing avi's scripts.  And then some staffers deleted the accounts
of avi and ryan because of what they did in pursuit of justice.  If I'm
reading him right, TS is saying that what happened was unjust, because
plagarism is very wrong.

response 41 of 70:

Jun 12 06:46 UTC 1995

Thanks for the translation. I am surprised that anyone would believe that
such action is justice. It looks more to me like a lynching.

Jan is right that we only have their claim - no hard evidence against blob.
Suppose we did have evidence. Would it be staff's job to mediate such a 
dispute? We don't normally intervene is cases like this.
I still don't think it justifies hacking his account.

In fact I see no parity or comparison in the transgressions.

response 43 of 70:

Jun 12 21:27 UTC 1995

Uhh, i'm doing this to say something, Just so you know.
If we want to talk about evidence and make this out to be some trial,
I'm going to go on this story:
(which I'm not saying at all, but just so show something)
Ok, Avi Pai never hacked blob's account, avi@lm.com and avi@nether.net
did, and the owner of those accounts Avi Pai was not the one who did them,
it was the owner of the blob account who really did it to himself,
but disguised it as me.  Here is how:
He somehow found out a way to telnet to telerama, thinking of Avi Pai's
personal life, used many guesses to crack his telerama account passwd.
After doing so; he logged on to cyberspace.org; and told ryan1 to
give avi@lm.com & nether.net access to blob's .rhosts;
and he did all the deleting himself.
        Now wait, wouldn't the fact that blob telneting in to telerama
show his innocent in the wtmp/utmp/lastlog/fingerlog/telnetdaemon log
on telerama?  No, those files are all corrupted, and u/wtmp files don't
even exist.  (That is all true...)
        Isn't that a little far fetched?  Yeah, it can be, but blob 
claims to know stuff about unix, why not unix security?
        See any holes in my story, people?

response 45 of 70:

Jun 13 00:34 UTC 1995

        Jan, *IF* it was true, and supportable, what then?

response 47 of 70:

Jun 13 01:11 UTC 1995

I have no idea.  I'm not sure the staff should get into policing that.  But
I'm not happy about people putting forth an unprovable claim as justification
for actions like these.  And it's an additional reason why avi's response was
really badly judged.  If you find such files, then *leave* them be, tell the
world about them.  Say, "hey, look, blob has copies of my scripts that he put
his name on."  If he put his name on them, he wanted to impress people with
what a clever boy he was to write them.  You point out that he stole then,
and instead everyone thinks he's a total chump.  Hits him where he hurts,
undermines his whole idea, and leaves you looking OK.  Getting half the system
pissed at you for destroying the evidence that you've been wronged is just
incrediably poor strategy.

response 49 of 70:

Jun 13 03:51 UTC 1995

details in extreme sitautions are essential - btw, where is blob in
all this discussion? Anyone know here blob hangs out?