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Grex > Coop6 > #97: software suggestion: the telegram program | |
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srw
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response 25 of 63:
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Feb 12 08:27 UTC 1995 |
(Oh, sorry. Carry on.)
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sidhe
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response 26 of 63:
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Feb 12 18:00 UTC 1995 |
The point, srw, is that we shouldn't take up disk space with a program
that is at best, useless, and at worst, a new tool for the gnats we have here.
That is the whole of it.
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steve
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response 27 of 63:
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Feb 12 20:14 UTC 1995 |
The disk space issue should't be used. Disk is the most abundant resource
Grex has, and it is the fastest falling cost of anything we can buy for this
system.
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sidhe
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response 28 of 63:
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Feb 12 23:24 UTC 1995 |
It still shouldn't even take up as cheap a resource as that, if it
is as unnecessary as you have said it is, and as *potentially* troublesome
as I have said.
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selena
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response 29 of 63:
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Feb 13 22:02 UTC 1995 |
I dunno. I rarely have trouble over on M-Net with tel users. I
happen to be fond of the silly little program.
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carson
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response 30 of 63:
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Feb 14 03:49 UTC 1995 |
(I think all STeve was saying is that disk space should be the "point",
but far be it for me to know the intent of another person.)
oops, make that "shouldn't" instead of "should". :)
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steve
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response 31 of 63:
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Feb 14 04:24 UTC 1995 |
right.
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sidhe
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response 32 of 63:
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Feb 15 16:13 UTC 1995 |
No, the real point's already been made, repeatedly, above. I was
*kibbutzing*
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lilmo
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response 33 of 63:
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Feb 21 03:14 UTC 1995 |
Right, sidhe... right... *rolls eyes*
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nephi
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response 34 of 63:
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Feb 25 09:03 UTC 1995 |
Actually, I like the tel program. There have been many times that I have
wanted to communicate a one line message with someone without interfering
with what they're doing. The fact that write makes one quit whatever
they're doing to communicate with others is prohibitive in many cases.
At the same time, I understand some of the fears that people have
concerning tel; however, I think that abuse of tel would be much less
odious to these people because of it's non-invasive nature. I do think
that it should have the seperate switch for these people, though (with
a default of on).
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popcorn
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response 35 of 63:
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Feb 25 13:25 UTC 1995 |
(Actually, you don't have to quit what you're doing to do a write.
From almost any program, you can get to an appropriate prompt and do
"!write". Also, if you use csh or tcsh as your shell, you can do a
control-Z to suspend the program you're running and get back to the
shell prompt. Then you can do "write". When you're done, you can
do "fg" to go back to what you were doing.)
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sidhe
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response 36 of 63:
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Feb 26 14:25 UTC 1995 |
The insult is delivered, either way. I truly don't see the point in
putting tel on grex.
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mwarner
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response 37 of 63:
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Feb 26 19:31 UTC 1995 |
The point is that it is a good program, convenient, and would be
frequently used by many people. Tel is no threat, at least no more threat
than e-mail, conferencing, walking down the street, etc. etc.; all
activities which serve a useful and varied function of communication, to
which Tel would add a significant choice. Please add tel to grex. I like
the tidyness of its delivery, and I can't see restricting its presence
merely on the basis of a fractional potential for what would be
accountable abuse.
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ajax
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response 38 of 63:
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Feb 26 20:29 UTC 1995 |
I think most people don't want tel, at least if its default permission is
on, and it's linked to write's permission. You could ask the board to vote
on the idea next month, but I think without addressing those concerns, its
approval is pretty unlikely.
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steve
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response 39 of 63:
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Feb 26 22:52 UTC 1995 |
I think there are enough people who'd like tel, that we should
try and put it here, once we were able to make it such that tels
could be disabled independently of write.
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gerund
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response 40 of 63:
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Feb 27 08:55 UTC 1995 |
Sounds fair.
Those who hate it can turn it off and not have to worry about it.
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sidhe
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response 41 of 63:
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Feb 28 15:44 UTC 1995 |
Fine. The amount of people with it off should only prove my point.
BUT.. the default set up in newuser <or however> MUST be off. No point in
opening newbies up to what could possibly scare them off.
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tsty
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response 42 of 63:
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Mar 1 12:24 UTC 1995 |
I like tel ...over on the m-b0x, but, particularily with
the work-alike as described in #13, why go to the grief of
puttimng it putting it here since there +is+ so much
opposition?
One of the things that grex does well is keep the little
annoynances of cyberspace a little more difficult to
achieve, if they are being used as annoynaces.
For the dedicated dweeb, there is no difference.
For the dedicated positive-spin user, there is no difference.
Casual abuse is made more difficult adn I rather appreciat that.
However, that said, +after+ a write/chat session is invoked,
I really +need+ the & function when answering yells for help.
How about reimplementing the & for a while and see how things go?
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sidhe
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response 43 of 63:
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Mar 1 16:27 UTC 1995 |
The & ??
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carson
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response 44 of 63:
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Mar 1 17:46 UTC 1995 |
(yeah, TS! what does "&" do?)
<carson suddenly remembers his relative newishness, and hides his
head in the sand>
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sidhe
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response 45 of 63:
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Mar 1 22:44 UTC 1995 |
Don't fret, carson.. there are plenty of us here far newer than
you.
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tsty
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response 46 of 63:
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Mar 2 06:27 UTC 1995 |
if, during a chat/write session, you issue &cat <filename> the
named file is scrolled onto **BOTH** screens, which then allows
both parties to review the file (like, .login, .profile) with
teh file visible rather than an invisible referrant.
Since it goes to BOTH screens, it is hardly the toy of dweebish
pranksters or malcontents, as has been previously alleged.
You can then say ... "see that line with XxXxX, it needs to
be replaced with YyYyY."
That facility, and its obvious value, needs to be returned to service, ok?
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nephi
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response 47 of 63:
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Mar 2 07:01 UTC 1995 |
Re #42: I don't see how tel can be any more annoying than write (or
especially write -c) in the hands of a miscreant. A person can write
someone else, and then just start typing, and in the process, really
screw up the other person's screen. Given this, the default should be
y for it in newuser.
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nephi
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response 48 of 63:
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Mar 2 07:02 UTC 1995 |
And I *really* like TS's idea in #46! What are the arguements against?
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robh
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response 49 of 63:
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Mar 2 11:34 UTC 1995 |
Yes, I'd never heard of &cat, but it would make my
helping ten times easier. Why isn't it available?
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