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Grex > Coop6 > #45: Harrassment in "write" sessions | |
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steve
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response 25 of 115:
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Dec 18 05:16 UTC 1994 |
Thats nice to hear. But if anyone hears about it, this item is
the place to yak about it.
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rcurl
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response 26 of 115:
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Dec 18 07:02 UTC 1994 |
Not a harass (nor even a harrass), and I have 'mesg -h y' as well as 'mesg
y' on when I'm in Picospan. You'd think some folks would run write help
just to harass. Some seem *drunk*, but not aggressive...
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tsty
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response 27 of 115:
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Dec 20 17:13 UTC 1994 |
This situation/problem is going to be recurring - i fly my help
flag on here and on the "other box" almost all the time.
It might seem curt, but a simple "what help do you need?" seems
to be the most efficient "i'm glad to help, but that's about it"
statement.
I send that immediately after establishing 2-way commo, no
matter what starts the conversation (except when a question
is asked immediately, of course).
I do not consider it PiC (Politically in-Correct) or unfriendly
in any regard to keep the situation focused.
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srw
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response 28 of 115:
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Dec 21 03:20 UTC 1994 |
I certainly agree with that. I'll chat if I'm in the mode, but if not,
I'll help if I can and cut it off.
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srw
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response 29 of 115:
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Dec 21 03:21 UTC 1994 |
(mood...not mode - sorry)
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tsty
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response 30 of 115:
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Dec 22 22:45 UTC 1994 |
either/both .... <g>
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headdoc
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response 31 of 115:
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Jan 5 18:49 UTC 1995 |
I think a large issue in these types of situations is the assertiveness of
the individual receiving the "unwanted" message. For some, the ease with
which one can end an unwanted communication is easy and fast. For others,
those who are perhaps more easily intimidated or less quick to spot the
beginnings of an intrusive dialoque, getting such messages is frightening.
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sidhe
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response 32 of 115:
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Jan 9 17:09 UTC 1995 |
I have recieved these messages a couple of times. I have little
problem grumbling "fool", and blowing them off.. My wife, on the other hand,
is a very sensitive soul, and she also has had the occasional idiot !write
her.. she has always found this highly distressing. I am merely glad that
we don't have !tel on grex, as that is a big reason I won't touch m-net.
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andyv
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response 33 of 115:
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Jan 10 01:53 UTC 1995 |
What is !tel and why is it reason to not touch m-net?
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robh
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response 34 of 115:
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Jan 10 02:36 UTC 1995 |
I know that "tel" is a command to send a brief message to
someone else who's on-line, something like "write"yM but
only for a single line. Or something like that.
What M-Net does with it, I do not know, nor do I care.
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andyv
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response 35 of 115:
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Jan 10 03:30 UTC 1995 |
Maybe I should visit M-Net and find out. Rob, I assume you don't frequent
that establishment?
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steve
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response 36 of 115:
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Jan 10 05:05 UTC 1995 |
Tel is short of "telegram" I'll bet. People for some reason completely
beyond me like to send one-line writes to others. You can do a write to
someone, type in that line with a return, and then hit ^D to stop the write,
but making a command to do it is faster. This can't be done on Grex, because
of the way we've configed the write program. We could change that, and about
1.5 years about we talked about it but nothing ever came of it.
I personally find telegrams *really* obnoxious.
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popcorn
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response 37 of 115:
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Jan 10 14:21 UTC 1995 |
Sidhe - On both M-Net and Grex, you can prevent incoming telegrams and
incoming write messages with the command "mesg n". (Put a ! before it if
you type it from a menu or lynx.) That lasts until you log out or until
you type "mesg y". If you want to *always* prevent incoming telegrams and
write messages, you can put the "mesg n" command in the file that is run
each time you log in. If your shell is csh, tcsh, menu, or lynx, you would
put the "mesg n" command in your .login file. If your shell is bbs, sh, or
bash, you would put the "mesg n" in your .profile file. To edit a file to
make these changes, type "!pico filename" (where "filename" is the name of
the file you want to edit, either .login or .profile).
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tsty
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response 38 of 115:
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Jan 10 15:10 UTC 1995 |
suggestion - if you are going to run with mesg n which is
a personal option, my recommendation would be to add newmail to
you standard stuff, so that you +can+ be non-invasively alerted
that someone is trying to reach you.
newmail puts the From and Subject: lines on the screen so you
can use the Subject: line to say " YO! Can we talk? " or something
else equally (non)obnoxious.
The body of the email doesn't even have to contain anything.
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steve
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response 39 of 115:
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Jan 10 16:49 UTC 1995 |
Good point. Thinking about telegrams last night, it occured to me
that another option in mesg, one to prevent telegrams from arriving might
be nice, if telegrams ever wing their way onto Grex.
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andyv
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response 40 of 115:
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Jan 10 17:27 UTC 1995 |
Are one liners which ask to talk are generally considered obnoxious? I have
bebeen paged a few times by folks new to grex trying to contact a live human. I
have tried to be hospitable because I consider grex as being a large room where
it would be rude to give a new person the cold shoulder. Sure it has been
upsetting to my routine but it is necessary.
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rcurl
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response 41 of 115:
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Jan 10 18:21 UTC 1995 |
That's different. I think STeve is talking about "party" type
one liners being sent as telegrams. Requests for help are accepted
to the extent the recipient is able and willing (and you can set
your flag mesg -h y so that if a newbie enters write help you
will be on the list from which to be selected).
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jep
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response 42 of 115:
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Jan 12 04:06 UTC 1995 |
I have become fond of telegrams ("tel" messages) on M-Net. I don't
have to stop what I am doing while someone else s-l-o-w-l-y types another
line of their message, ignoring the "o" convention to break up my reply.
They send a "tel", I send one back, then go about my business until they
reply, etc. I lose a few messages because my screen gets cleared
occasionally, and that requires me to ask someone to repeat themself, but
I no longer spend bored half-hours mostly waiting for someone to type.
Before we had "tel" merssages, we had "mesg" messages; it's the same
concept, but there was a bug in the program. Jan Wolter wrote "tel".
It's a staple of direct communication on M-Net these days. I consider it
a very real blessing. I dislike chat/write, and really, really hate
"talk" and other split-screen jabbering methods. The "tel" program is
much less invasive.
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rcurl
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response 43 of 115:
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Jan 12 06:53 UTC 1995 |
Hmmm...maybe we should try it. I suspend what I'm doing to answer
-h writes, and generally the session does go on as many helpees don't
state their problem very clearly (I usually learn the critical facts
after I've tried to answer the original query) - and then I often
ask they to wait while I do an identify, to see how they are set up.
If there were a way to carry all this out while, at the same time,
getting on with what I was doing, I would like it.
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popcorn
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response 44 of 115:
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Jan 12 14:19 UTC 1995 |
You can do !commands while you're in a write session. Sometimes it
is the only way to stay sane while talking to a slow typist.
I always feel a bit guilty when I do that, though, kinda like I was
reading a magazine while someone was speaking to me.
For example, you could do a !identify (or whatever command that is
that you use to find info about a user) *while* you're waiting for
them to talk, rather than waiting for them to finish.
If you miss something they say, scrollback helps.
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rcurl
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response 45 of 115:
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Jan 12 15:46 UTC 1995 |
Don't feel guilty. Besides, there's no "eye contact" in this medium,
thank goodness. I go to the bathroom while they are writing......
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andyv
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response 46 of 115:
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Jan 12 19:57 UTC 1995 |
Good ideas ;-)
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robh
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response 47 of 115:
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Jan 12 23:48 UTC 1995 |
I'm even worse popcorn, I'll read Usenet or do Lynx or such in one
window while talking to my girlfriend in another window. It can
get awfully confusing...
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jep
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response 48 of 115:
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Jan 13 01:08 UTC 1995 |
Heh. I have done two things on-line at once while providing tech
support to a customer on an unrelated subject, but only for a short time.
"What are you typing?" "Oh, uh... tech notes, sir. Could you repeat the
last part, please?"
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tsty
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response 49 of 115:
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Jan 13 12:18 UTC 1995 |
<<is #45 a buffing flusher, or a flushing buffer?? <g> >>
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