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Grex > Coop6 > #19: Grex's listing in Michigan Computer User |  |
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chip
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response 25 of 206:
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Nov 9 03:51 UTC 1994 |
I think perhaps the point here is that Grex is not a business -- at least
not in the bottom line, profit oriented sense. I, myself, am happy to
see a little idealism. If Grex became cyberspace.com, I wouldn't be a
donating member.
All this IMHO, of course, and not to knock whatever it is MCU feels it
has to do.
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kentn
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response 26 of 206:
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Nov 9 03:54 UTC 1994 |
Grex is a business, just not a profit-oriented business. All you
horizon and sensibility expanders around here need to adjust your
view of what constitutes "business."
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chip
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response 27 of 206:
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Nov 9 04:15 UTC 1994 |
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robh
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response 28 of 206:
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Nov 9 04:32 UTC 1994 |
Jemmie, if you're concerned about business management of computer
systems you use, go join AOL and leave us alone. It's also
"your opinion" that we should ignore the contract we're supposed
to sign, just to get a free ad. Since when does ignoring the
text of a contract constitute "business acumen"? Is this how
you run CCS, ignoring the contract you sign with your customers
when you think it's convenient?
I take contracts VERY seriously. And I can't recommend that
we sign a contract that says we will follow someone else's
guidleines of what a good computer system is.
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rcurl
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response 29 of 206:
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Nov 9 06:09 UTC 1994 |
Kent is correct - Grex is a business, but a non-profit, volunteer run,
charitable business. It still needs to conduct its business legally
and responsibly. In regard to free advertisement in MCU - does anyone
think we *need* any?
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carl
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response 30 of 206:
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Nov 9 11:16 UTC 1994 |
Jemmie, actually I'd prefer that you not go to AOL. Part of what I
like about Grex is that it tends to be open to people with different
views.
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popcorn
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response 31 of 206:
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Nov 9 14:59 UTC 1994 |
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srw
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response 32 of 206:
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Nov 9 15:39 UTC 1994 |
You are correct about that Valerie, and I'd like to see us explore ways to
get more locals on Grex. I don't want to subjugate Grex's free speech
to MCU's agreement either. To me, free speech is a more important issue
than remaining free of those elements that the MCU agreement requires.
I believe there are plenty of other ways than MCU to accomplish the goal.
Is it a bad business decision for Grex to ignore the opportunity for free
advertising? Yes, if it is really free. No, if it compromises our principles.
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rcurl
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response 33 of 206:
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Nov 9 18:11 UTC 1994 |
Sounds like arguments in favor of "Coffeehouse" connection to grex
(see Item 30).
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tsty
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response 34 of 206:
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Nov 12 05:36 UTC 1994 |
Umm, sure does - and i'll put something in that item about a
contact I made on that front.
Back to this issue, I'd really suggest that we strike-through those
sentences/words which do NOT apply to Grex, initial the strike-throughs
make a couple copies for record, and send it back with Grexian
modifications.
First, that method is absolutely legal, keeps robh (among others)
happy about being a serious signer of contracts, adds (potentially)
to the +local+ awareness, and agrees with rogue's fine point about
gettingthe free publicity in a widely read rag.
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popcorn
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response 35 of 206:
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Nov 12 13:30 UTC 1994 |
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robh
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response 36 of 206:
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Nov 12 15:39 UTC 1994 |
Whoops, my mistake. Even so, I don't approve of sending in a
statement which we would deliberately not adhere to.
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rogue
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response 37 of 206:
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Nov 13 01:26 UTC 1994 |
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rogue
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response 38 of 206:
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Nov 13 01:38 UTC 1994 |
#28: Let's leave CCS out of this. It is obvious that you know much more about
business and business transactions than I do. Please tell us about your
great business successes and triumphs. Until then, don't tell me about
how to conduct business because you would only be wasting my time.
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robh
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response 39 of 206:
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Nov 13 03:53 UTC 1994 |
I've got a better idea - you shut up and stop telling Grex how
to conduct its business, and I'll do the same for CCS.
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cicero
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response 40 of 206:
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Nov 13 04:49 UTC 1994 |
re 39:
um, what were we saying about grex welcoming a variety of people with
a variety of viewpoints?
I for one view rogue's statements as one opinion, which, I am only to happy
to read. I do not agree with them, but it is still nice to read other's
viewpoints.
I just don't think rogue really understands what we are about here and why
even the appearance of censorship is so anathema to us.
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jshafer
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response 41 of 206:
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Nov 13 06:04 UTC 1994 |
No, you mean rogue's viewpoints. other is somebody else. ;)
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tsty
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response 42 of 206:
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Nov 13 13:57 UTC 1994 |
that appearance is clearly visible above, unfortunately.
I want to read more of what rogue takes the time to type in, and make
it a practice to consider where he's coming from. It's nice to see
those viewpoints, actually.
I, also, had thought there was a "form." Since there isn't, we could
just send a Statement of Principles and make that do.
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rcurl
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response 43 of 206:
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Nov 13 21:16 UTC 1994 |
I'm also open to reading all opinions on all subjects, so long as they are
presented in a *moderately* civil manner (*moderately* meaning not totally
offensively (offensively meaning with intent to disparage the race,
religion, physiognomy, sexual preference, etc in an uncivil manner
(uncivil meaning....uh...not moderately civil?)))
But what I really meant to say was, would someone please describe the
Michigan Computer User magazine, and why we are interested in being listed
in it (in the first place). I have not yet seen a copy, and even though I
have expressed some opinions above, they have been totally without
knowledge of what I've been talking about. This is, I know the Grex manner
;->, but a decision might have to be made, so I would like to be better
informed.
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popcorn
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response 44 of 206:
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Nov 15 03:08 UTC 1994 |
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popcorn
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response 45 of 206:
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Nov 15 03:15 UTC 1994 |
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popcorn
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response 46 of 206:
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Nov 15 03:22 UTC 1994 |
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tsty
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response 47 of 206:
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Nov 15 08:15 UTC 1994 |
Does the word "hostile" come to mind? Sounds like maybe we should
jsut read it and not "advertise" in it. That Final Frontier thing
describes a lot of their "insides." And that's a fine way for
them to do business, for them, it's their business.
But, given their public presentation of "principle," methinks
it might be wise to avoid their permenant wrath.
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popcorn
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response 48 of 206:
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Nov 15 15:41 UTC 1994 |
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selena
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response 49 of 206:
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Nov 18 16:53 UTC 1994 |
Discretionis the better part of valor, here, folks. I, personally,
as a local person (Detroit) have NEVER seen a MCU mag, and I found you just
fine. before you go suggesting that we kow-tow to what appears to be a
tyrranical editor, perhaps we should ask more of our new people (especially
locals) about exactly where they found out about here. I found out from
your direct-link to Metro-Net Library Consortium's Gopher. I suggest that
perhaps, instead of bowing to gods we don't subscribe to, we try to become
an afilliate of michnet; that way, when someone dials michnet up, and it
asks which host?, they can reply cyberspace.org, and here they are! As for
publicity, all anyone has to do is call, write or email merit to get a list of
all the michnet dialins, and hosts! and, believe me, this would open us up
to more locals than any simple listing!
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