You are not logged in. Login Now
 0-24   25-49   50-60        
 
Author Message
25 new of 60 responses total.
steve
response 25 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 15:19 UTC 1994

   Reordered the phone to tty sequence, such that we're once again
matched.  So the first line (761-3000) gets to ttyh0, and so on.  Back
when a couple of modei were acting up we changed things, and never
put it back.
kentn
response 26 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 15:51 UTC 1994

So...tty number order is now the same as phone number order?
Maybe you should post that tty/ph. number list...or did we go back
to the order in the "phones" command?
steve
response 27 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 20:02 UTC 1994

   Yes, we're back to what we should have been these last few months.
I believe 'phones' lists it.  Yes, here it is:

The phone numbers for Grex are:
        +1 313 761 3000  tty00 modem00
        +1 313 761 3411  tty01 modem01
        +1 313 761 3451  tty02 modem02
        +1 313 761 3554  tty03 modem03
        +1 313 761 3596  tty04 modem04
        +1 313 761 2517  tty05 modem05
steve
response 28 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 20:05 UTC 1994

   Still errors on the SCSI-3 disks.  We've booted with a new (improved!)
kernel that knows nothing about Xylogics 451's, or Sun-3/50's or a few
other things that were in there but didn't need to be.  This kernel is
a little smaller, 60K or so.

   We're interested in seeing if the disclusion of the various drivers
might have any effect.
steve
response 29 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 04:14 UTC 1994

   Today's report from the battle front:

   It's looking more and more likely that our problem is in the
fact that we have two differenet SCSI controllers here: a SCSI-2
which is the old style, and a SCSI-3 which is the 'new' style.
There is certainly the chance that having both in one system is
the cause of our problems.

   So, we got over to CE tonight to swap out the older SCSI card and
replace it with Greg's SCSI-3 card.  After fighting various things like
SCSI cables, we got the SCSI controller in, and tried booting.  No
go.  A wonderful messages ("invalid status meg = 1") appeared on the
screen and that was it.  After checking that all we had done was
correct, we put the SCSI-2 card back in, and the system came up.
About then Marcus paged me and I explained our problem to him.  He
isn't surprised that our boot disk, which was formatted under one
type of controller isn't booting under a different model.  The theory
goes that the "boot block" of the disk contains just controller-
specific enough information that it can't work under the SCSI-3.
The solution (besides tearing our hair out and aiming a 30-06 at
Grex) is to reformat the two 330M scsi disks (sd0 and sd2) under the
new controller, and restoring the information they held with a
backup (made just before this surgery happens).

   I'm beginning to think the hardware is having fun with us, and
sits around in the wee hours after Grex has crashed, thinking up new
shit to thow in Greg's and STeve's faces.  Who says computers don't
think?

   The next battle will likely take place on Wednesday.
carson
response 30 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 04:17 UTC 1994

Hang in there, guys. We (or at least *I*...) appreciate the
wrok you're putting in.
rcurl
response 31 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 06:45 UTC 1994

...as they wrok away the night... ;-)
robh
response 32 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 10:25 UTC 1994

Quick, somebody call up Meg Geddes and ask her what an
"invalid status meg" is.  >8)
davel
response 33 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 11:50 UTC 1994

And *obviously* there's not more than one of her!
Greg, thanks for the hardware loans, once again, BTW.
kentn
response 34 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 15:29 UTC 1994

Yes, thanks Greg, and STeve, for all the hard work.  You know, of course,
you need to either learn how to talk nicely to Grex, or how to effectively
threaten Grex, to get compliance...even mechanical devices require this.
   :)
tsty
response 35 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 19:44 UTC 1994

glad it's being tracked down.
gregc
response 36 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 22:50 UTC 1994

I ussually let Steve talk nice to it. I, with my usual tact, subtlety,
and grace, just threaten it with a chainsaw.
carson
response 37 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 23:33 UTC 1994

...a la Doom.
jfk
response 38 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 12:20 UTC 1994

Yesterday I went to respond to this item and say threaten to
replace it with a 486, and the system locked and I eventually
got disconnected.  Guess that'll teach me to threaten it.
kentn
response 39 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 13:42 UTC 1994

Try praising...
steve
response 40 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 22:31 UTC 1994

   Or kicking. ;-)

   Toadys time spent on Grex dealt with cleaning the system up; both
/usr/local and /home were dirty.  The main part of the time was spent
finding rane (rcurl) in all the rubble.  He had his mail directory
disappear beneath him today, and Greg and I couldn't find it. ;-)
It was really munged, but I think I got it all back.  So that, and
looking at some other filesystems ate up the time I had 'till I had
to leave the warehouse.

   The goal for tomorrow will be to create a bootable partition on
Greg's disk, and boot from it.  At this point we aren't able to boot
Grex with a SCSI-3 card in place of the SMPL SCSI-2, so we're going
to try and see if we can boot from another disk.  If we can, then
we'll put the SCSI-3 card in and boot from that.  If that all works,
then we'll be up on two SCSI-3 cards.
tsty
response 41 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 16:08 UTC 1994

recently I got email from root (apparently an automatic email) 
saying that while I was editing a file, something WentWrong (tm),
WEntWrng, WxnTWrungg .... and that I could get it all back
if I performed an little Unix incantation ...
 
Ok, fine.
 
This isnot the first time my files have been "protected," and I 
guess I got rather used to this nifty Unixism.

But when I was editing a +critical+ file (that apparently didn;t
even show up in Lost+Found), the system protections VANISHED?
  
Of course it was my mail file.
  
Hoew does Grex "decide" what to protect and what NOT to protect?
  
How does Lost+Found work? 
.

davel
response 42 of 60: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 17:32 UTC 1994

Totally different things, I think, TS.  The first things you mentioned
are set up by your editor (or possibly mailer) when it realizes that
you've gone byebye without exiting.  It saves its current buffers
in some standardized way that can be reached by vi -r or
something like that (this tells vi, or another editor if that's appropriate,
where to look for what got saved.

lost+found is a directory created (if necessary) by fsck.  If on checking
the file system, it finds that there's a file that no directory entry
in the file system points to, then it creates a directory entry in lost+found
to point to it.  I think the filename it uses is something like
#17084532 (where 17084532 or whatever is the inode # of the inode of
the file).

I don't really know the details of what's going on with our current
problems, I'm afraid.  It's been spooken of as something eating *inodes*,
but I've never really been sure what that means.  Is the inode being
grabbed for another file, or what?  Or is it that directory entries are
being overwritten, leaving orphan file (which should turn up in lost+found
after fsck is run)?

(If I'm all mixed up, someone please fill me in.  Thanks.)
jdg00
response 43 of 60: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 03:15 UTC 1994

While we're on the subject of missing files: a month or more back, a user
pointed to some missing files in the /usr/local/games/lib/nh313adir directory,
rendering the game "nethack" somewhat broken.  If we get this problem
resolved, can this directory be restored from say, a summer backup, or
should I just re-acquire the source and re-install the software?
popcorn
response 44 of 60: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 19:19 UTC 1994

Look under /bargle/games -- I think /bargle is a restored backup of
/usr/local from before we switched to the new disk.

Re 42: A lot of files have been turning up in lost+found lately.
I'm not exactly sure what's going wrong with inodes, but it seems like
the data in them is getting wiped out.  When Grex reboots and you run
fsck, it reports inodes with all default entries (owner = root, date =
the beginning of time, etc.).
popcorn
response 45 of 60: Mark Unseen   Nov 4 14:49 UTC 1994

(/bargle isn't on line right now)
sidhe
response 46 of 60: Mark Unseen   Nov 7 15:51 UTC 1994

Hello, all! I merely wanted to congratulate you for one thing i've noticed
in my nettravels so far; of any system I've been on, this is the most
cooperative, friendly, and well-managed system i've yet to see! Honest! And, by
reading the responses here, I can honestly say i see no real reason for it to
get any worse. Keep it up! <Rah! Rah! Rah!>
        Oh, and i am glad that i found this item; I was always curious as to
why i was constantly getting thrown off grex for a reboot, or some other,
less specific reason! I just figured maybe y'all didn't like me <grin>.
steve
response 47 of 60: Mark Unseen   Nov 8 02:35 UTC 1994

   Thanks...

   Grex was down today for the reaping of some 3700+ accounts.
We have a new program now, called pwadm which is a general purpose
utility for adding / deleting (and eventually modifying) entries
in the passwd file here.

   It took longer than it will in the future to do account reaping
today because this was pwadm's initial run, such that I had to
spend time making sure it was working correctly and not damaging
the database first, before letting it go whole hog on the rather
massive list of accounts we had.

   So, Grex now have about 3.765 less accounts than it did
earlier today.  The entries on /home are still here for the
moment; we have enough space that it doesn't matter much.  Once
I know that I haven't zapped some entries that I shouldn't have,
I'll be wiping the home directories.  If it does turn out that
we need to resurect accounts, we can, as a level 0 dump was made
of /home before any of this was done.

   The incredible part is that we still have 5700+ accounts here!
Since our dear vandal erased the wtmp file, its going to take
some effort to come up with a definitive list of the accounts to
kill until December.
kentn
response 48 of 60: Mark Unseen   Nov 8 04:41 UTC 1994

Is that 3.765 X 10^3 less accounts?  :) :)  Thanks, STeve (and any
other staff involved, e.g., for the pwadm program) for working on
this.  Hopefully this will speed up the login for a lot of people.
(Will it?)
steve
response 49 of 60: Mark Unseen   Nov 8 13:57 UTC 1994

   It will speed up operations that use the password file for
information, like our chief hog, smail.  Because there are still
an incredible number of accounts here, we're still slower than we
could be.  As we regain the history of the wtmp file as it goes
farther back in time, we'll be able to delete more accounts.  Unless
we write some software to traipse through the inodes on /home and
figure out last references that way, but that still can't cover the
case of people who log in and don't modify files.
   Anyway, finger should now be incredibly slow, as opposed to
unbelieveably slow...
 0-24   25-49   50-60        
Response Not Possible: You are Not Logged In
 

- Backtalk version 1.3.30 - Copyright 1996-2006, Jan Wolter and Steve Weiss