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tsty
response 25 of 121: Mark Unseen   Oct 12 14:03 UTC 1994

that workxx
andyv
response 26 of 121: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 18:04 UTC 1994

I was looking for an address so I could send some money and it
hasn't been easy.  Right at the beginningwe should have an adress
so people wanting to donate can have a place to satisfy the 
urge before the urge passes.
remmers
response 27 of 121: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 19:28 UTC 1994

You can get full details on how to become a member by typing  !support
at the next prompt, including where to send money.
robh
response 28 of 121: Mark Unseen   Oct 31 21:01 UTC 1994

Besides, if we do put the address in the motd, we'll get screams
of "money grubbing!" from many users.
rcurl
response 29 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 07:55 UTC 1994

That's really a shame, though. Every non-profit, volunteer, organization
in existence exists on donations, and everyone should know that, and it
should not be taken amiss for them to say so openly, and invite
contributions. So, I'll ask a) *would* anyone scream "money grubbing"?,
and b) is there *anyone* who doesn't realize that non-profit, volunteer,
organizations exist on donations, and its not infamous to ask for them? 

remmers
response 30 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 09:20 UTC 1994

For me, an important property of any such message would be to phrase it
in such a way that we don't discourage people from hanging out here
without paying - i.e. make clear that payment is voluntarily and guests
are welcome.
rcurl
response 31 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 14:24 UTC 1994

That's why I think the  !support  message alone is not what is needed
as a, perhaps, optional informational message for newusers. The nature
of Grex needs to be described too, to provide the basis for explaining
how to support it by becoming a member.
tsty
response 32 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 17:30 UTC 1994

Is the support message in the newuser process?
,
robh
response 33 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 17:54 UTC 1994

Serious suggestion - I played a hunch, checked andyv's shell,
and lo and behold, it's menu.  The Grex Activities Page on
Lynx has a pointer to "find out more about Grex", maybe the
main menu needs one as well?
rcurl
response 34 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 1 19:19 UTC 1994

I'd second that.
popcorn
response 35 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 00:30 UTC 1994

I'd been thinking that the "support" command is buried several levels
down on the menus, when maybe it should be at the top level.  I'll
go move it....
popcorn
response 36 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 00:40 UTC 1994

Ok, it's now on the top level menu, as "Donations".  (We're running out
of alphabet letters for main menu options).
andyv
response 37 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 21:38 UTC 1994

D is a great letter for donations and now easy to find.  Friday I get paid and 
now I can go right to the menu and relieve myself of some $$$ more easily.  
Must catch people in the mood.  Everyone has been very helpful on Grex and 
$ should be more helpful than just words of thanks.  :-) A happy newbie
steve
response 38 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 2 23:03 UTC 1994

   Thanks Andrew!
popcorn
response 39 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 01:43 UTC 1994

Yes, thanks Andrew!
carson
response 40 of 121: Mark Unseen   Nov 3 11:45 UTC 1994

Hoka-hoka-hey!
rcurl
response 41 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 13 19:14 UTC 1995

Why were Items 74 and 75 frozen and retired? Here is what they were:

Item 74: Grex News for January 1995
Entered by Andrew Valentine (andyv) on Sat, Jan  7, 1995 (07:02):
   <item is retired>
   <item is frozen>

Item 75: Discussion on item 74 "Grex News Jan. 1995"
Entered by Andrew Valentine (andyv) on Sat, Jan  7, 1995 (07:05):
   <item is retired>
   <item is frozen>

robh
response 42 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 01:14 UTC 1995

Perhaps andyv decided they weren't needed?  I dunno.
chelsea
response 43 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 03:20 UTC 1995

The author chose to use these commands.  I don't know why.
rcurl
response 44 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 06:25 UTC 1995

Andyv? Is it discussible? I went looking for 74, to ask whether the
item was meant for collecting News for possible publication in the
(upcoming) Newsletter. I was rather puzzled for a while, even doing
a find on a word I knew was there somewhere ("rehabilitation" - nope).
So I scanned the cf and looked for missing Item #s - aha! I would like
to suggest that persons retiring items they've entered, close it with
a freeze first, and a statement of why it is going to be retired. I
would have saved my sleuthing time!
andyv
response 45 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 13:43 UTC 1995

I guess I figured it was just taking up space, and the one reply which
contained the article which was double spaced was hard to get through
cf test entry which corrected the problem.  Is it worth unfreezing and 
restoring them to active status?  Is that  even possible?  I intended those
items to be for news and comment like an editorial page along with news in 
another section.  Maybe a Grex News Conference would be better where someone
can pick up on what is going on without having to wade through reams of
discussion.  If one wants to comment, go to the comment entry.  Or, maybe 
put the article in as an entry with the comments coming directly afterward.
That method would mean one entry per article.  That would be ok if the 
conference were renewed regularly (depending on the activity).  I want to
know what is going on around grex but I don't want to go through each cfr.

And this should have gone into the area discussing the news letter :-)
chelsea
response 46 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 14:06 UTC 1995

You can, indeed, thaw and unretire the item, Andy.  Just enter
those those commands as you did freeze and retire.  If you'd like
a conference dedicated to the newletter then all you need do is 
enter an item, in Co-op, asking for it to happen and maybe see
what kind of support there is for the idea.

If anyone is truly unhappy with an item being frozen or retired
there is a way to get around it all.  You could read the item
by asking for it specifically, capture it to a file, then 
enter the file as new item text.  It isn't a very nice thing to 
do and tends to look akin to guerrilla warfare but it is one
way around a discussion being hidden from view.
remmers
response 47 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 14:14 UTC 1995

(Or, to propose a new conference, you can enter a response in the
Conference Proposals item - Item 9.)
andyv
response 48 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 15:23 UTC 1995

Thanks for the tip.  Is it considered bad form to retire and freeze something
without discussing the action?  I suppose it would be.
tsty
response 49 of 121: Mark Unseen   Jan 14 17:35 UTC 1995

retire/freeze is always a valid option for the author, for the fw 
it an action to be used as inoften as possible.
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