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jlamb
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response 25 of 122:
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Dec 12 05:33 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 26 of 122:
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Dec 12 13:11 UTC 2003 |
I agee with John in that if we had waited to buy the hardware we could have
got it cheaper. The hardware may not be outdated by the time we get around
to using it, but the prices may have dropped, so grex wouldn't have spent so
much on it.
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gelinas
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response 27 of 122:
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Dec 12 13:29 UTC 2003 |
If we hadn't bought the hardware, we wouldn't have made as much progress as
we have. If we didn't have the hardware, we'd have made NO progress toward
the migration.
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slynne
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response 28 of 122:
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Dec 12 13:42 UTC 2003 |
Would it be possible for someone to do the onsight work with the
guidance of someone who is remote? I mean, I can put a cd in a drive
just as well as anyone else.
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gelinas
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response 29 of 122:
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Dec 12 13:44 UTC 2003 |
The hardware is currently located in the home of janc, who apparently has
everything *except* the time. :(
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jp2
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response 30 of 122:
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Dec 12 14:02 UTC 2003 |
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gelinas
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response 31 of 122:
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Dec 12 14:08 UTC 2003 |
I'm sorry you've not heard the answer. I know it's been offered: Yes.
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jp2
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response 32 of 122:
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Dec 12 14:30 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 33 of 122:
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Dec 12 15:16 UTC 2003 |
Re resp:24: I agree that things need to move forward. I think that the
"the hardware will be obsolete!" argument is a red herring, though. No
matter how long things sit, that hardware will still be less obsolete
than what Grex is running on now, and that's all that matters. If we'd
put off buying the hardware there wouldn't even be the *possibility* of
moving forward.
Re resp:32: You'd have to ask Marcus, I think, and I haven't seen him
posting to coop recently. What are you afraid will happen? Who is
likely to come along and try to enforce the license terms? If they
haven't cared yet, why are they likely to care now?
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jp2
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response 34 of 122:
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Dec 12 15:24 UTC 2003 |
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jp2
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response 35 of 122:
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Dec 12 15:25 UTC 2003 |
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aruba
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response 36 of 122:
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Dec 12 15:34 UTC 2003 |
I think gull's questions are pretty good ones.
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gull
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response 37 of 122:
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Dec 12 16:09 UTC 2003 |
My question in situations like this is always "who is getting hurt"? If
the answer is "no one", I don't see what's immoral about it.
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remmers
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response 38 of 122:
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Dec 12 16:10 UTC 2003 |
But the issue of Picospan licensing has little or no relevance to the
topic of this item.
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jp2
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response 39 of 122:
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Dec 12 16:30 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 40 of 122:
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Dec 12 17:00 UTC 2003 |
I think that's true if you assume "illegal" and "immoral" are synonyms.
I personally don't.
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tod
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response 41 of 122:
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Dec 12 17:49 UTC 2003 |
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mynxcat
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response 42 of 122:
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Dec 12 17:57 UTC 2003 |
Right, as far as we know, the OS hasn't been installed yet...
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cross
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response 43 of 122:
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Dec 12 18:35 UTC 2003 |
The hardware, which was supposed to be bought with OpenBSD in mind,
isn't quite OpenBSD compatible. In particular, the Ethernet controller
isn't very well supported. There are really two ways to proceed. Well,
three: 0) Fix OpenBSD so the hardware is supported (not going to happen).
1) Buy other hardware that is supported. The SCSI controller had some
problems, too, but is probably fine. The real issue is the ethernet;
a $20 Netgear card could be plugged into the machine and the onboard
ethernet ignored and the problem would be solved. 2) Switch to another
operating system. I've always had my doubts that OpenBSD is the way
to go for grex. The main argument in favor of it (that it's ``more
secure'') is BS; grex would be better off on FreeBSD, which supports
all the hardware it already has.
Oh, screw it; I'll build out next grex over the next month if someone will
take care of putting it on the network, and in the pumpkin. If Valerie
and Jan don't have the time to work on it, then it should probably be
relocated to a place where someone with more time on their hands can
get to it.
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gull
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response 44 of 122:
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Dec 12 18:41 UTC 2003 |
Heck, a $12 RealTek card (you can get 'em at Sky-Tech on the corner of
Ellsworth and Carpenter for that, retail boxed) would do fine. OpenBSD
should support these cards with the "rl" driver.
There *has* been some progress. For example, janc spent a good bit of
time testing OpenBSD's software RAID feature. Ultimately the tests
showed it hurt performance too much to make sense for Grex, but I don't
think we should discount the work that went into it.
I think FreeBSD can be just about as good as OpenBSD, security-wise, if
it's configured intelligently and kept up to date. Most of the OpenBSD
security improvements are eventually ported to FreeBSD anyway. Both are
damn good operating systems.
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mynxcat
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response 45 of 122:
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Dec 12 18:43 UTC 2003 |
Thanks for the offer cross :)
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jp2
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response 46 of 122:
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Dec 12 18:45 UTC 2003 |
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remmers
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response 47 of 122:
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Dec 12 18:49 UTC 2003 |
To correct a misimpression that seems to be forming: The OS was
installed on NextGrex months ago, and quite a bit of work was done
in terms of configuration and porting software. The work has been
logged online, mostly in the Garage conference I think, some of it
in Coop. What hasn't happened is *upgrading* the OS to the latest
version of OpenBSD. There are good reasons for doing that, but it
isn't something that would hold up everything else.
Re #43: Wow Dan, that's quite an offer. Thanks.
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tod
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response 48 of 122:
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Dec 12 18:50 UTC 2003 |
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willcome
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response 49 of 122:
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Dec 12 19:31 UTC 2003 |
Thanks, cross!
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