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cross
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response 25 of 58:
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May 12 21:49 UTC 2002 |
Err, didn't you just say it failed to compile under FreeBSD?
Remeber: Solaris != SunOS.
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jp2
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response 26 of 58:
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May 12 22:32 UTC 2002 |
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cross
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response 27 of 58:
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May 12 22:49 UTC 2002 |
Oh. My bad.
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janc
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response 28 of 58:
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May 19 15:57 UTC 2002 |
Backtalk has been tested against Yapp 2.3, but not, so far as I know in
a production system. I don't think M-Net runs Yapp 2.3, but some later
version that moves a lot of files around to different places. Probably
it isn't too hard to fix whatever problems still exist.
The backtalk bug in #22 is probably easy to fix. The showopt.c module
is just code to what options backtalk was built with. It's a new hunk
of code and I've hit a couple minor configuration dependant bugs
before, and it looks like this is another. Knowing the options you
used to build Backtalk would help.
It looks like you've defined Yapp compatibility, but not --auth=shadow.
Yapp compatibility isn't really going to work if you are authenticating
out of anything other than the shadow password database. Or something
even stranger is wrong. I'd really need your configuration options to
debug this.
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janc
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response 29 of 58:
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May 19 16:01 UTC 2002 |
I don't see any reason to switch between Picospan and Yapp. I'm
actually more interested in something like Fronttalk that would move us
more toward a distributed architecture. Though Fronttalk would need
quite a bit of work before it was ready for production use.
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jmsaul
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response 30 of 58:
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May 19 16:05 UTC 2002 |
What is Fronttalk?
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remmers
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response 31 of 58:
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May 19 19:07 UTC 2002 |
It's a Backtalk client with a Picospan-like text interface.
Very cool, but still in the experimental stage. You can
run it on Grex via the "ft" command. (Warning: It's slow.)
Or, if you have Perl on your local machine, you can probably
download it and access Grex conferences by running your local
copy, which will probably be much faster than running it on
Grex. It takes some configuration to get that to work, but
I succeeded in doing it once.
There's a fronttalk item in the Garage conferece; see that
for more details.
I share Jan's lack of enthusiasm for switching from Picospan
to Yapp. Or, from the M-Net perspective, switching from Yapp
to Picospan. They're so alike, and architecturally they're
both dinosaurs. Useful dinosaurs, and one can still learn
from them, but dinosaurs.
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jmsaul
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response 32 of 58:
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May 21 05:04 UTC 2002 |
Interesting:
FrontTalk 0.2.4
Copyright 2001, Jan Wolter
Connected to server
(null): Permission denied, bozo
;-)
I agree about there being no real reason to switch between Picospan and YAPP.
I'm not sure what the purpose of FrontTalk is, though.
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jp2
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response 33 of 58:
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May 21 05:20 UTC 2002 |
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remmers
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response 34 of 58:
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May 21 11:00 UTC 2002 |
Re #32: Hm. I don't know why you would get that error.
The nifty thing about FrontTalk is that it supports distributed
conferencing. When you're running FrontTalk -- on Grex, on your
home machine, whatever -- you can in principle access any
conference on any machine running BackTalk.
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jmsaul
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response 35 of 58:
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May 21 16:03 UTC 2002 |
Aha. I get it now. That really is cool.
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cross
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response 36 of 58:
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May 21 19:45 UTC 2002 |
I'd rather see something like fronttalk, too. I wonder, Jan, how hard
would it be to slip in SSL support?
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jaklumen
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response 37 of 58:
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May 21 21:27 UTC 2002 |
resp:34 I'm sorry, I don't quite get it-- which conferences on which
machines running BackTalk? I'm not a technie, so please be more
specific.
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spooked
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response 38 of 58:
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May 21 22:40 UTC 2002 |
Aside.
Congrats on the bubbie Jon - she's a cutie - you must be proud :-)
End-of-Aside.
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cross
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response 39 of 58:
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May 22 00:52 UTC 2002 |
Huh. I thought ``Bubbie'' was Yiddish for Grandmother.
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jaklumen
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response 40 of 58:
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May 22 09:59 UTC 2002 |
thanks, Mic-- yes, I am, and yes, she is.
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janc
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response 41 of 58:
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Jun 3 03:17 UTC 2002 |
I don't understand Joe's error message. "(null): Permission denied, bozo"
is not a message I would have though Fronttalk capable of producing.
Definately not my style of error message.
If I got around to installing the latest copy of Backtalk on HVCN, you'd be
able to read hvcn conference on Grex by doing "ft hvcn:design". Of course,
you'd need an account there to be able to post. Fronttalk looks almost
exactly like Picospan, but it's actually a specialized web browser, making
http requests to Backtalk to read, post, etc. It's partly slow because of
that, but mostly because it's written in Perl instead of C.
Backtalk is a conferencing system. It's installed in about half a dozen
places on the net. The only really active one other than Grex is
www.rc-racing.com. If I upgraded all of these sites to the latest version
of Backtalk, with some add-on's to support Fronttalk, then you'd be able to
access conferences on any of them from Grex, or from your own computer.
Basically Fronttalk is a quick and dirty way to build a client-server
conferencing system. It would need a lot more work to really become serious,
and it probably isn't the ideal way to build such a system. But it's at least
a taste of what could be done.
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jmsaul
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response 42 of 58:
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Jun 3 13:26 UTC 2002 |
I promise you that I didn't make the message up. I copied it and pasted it
as is. (The smiley afterwards is mine.)
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jmsaul
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response 43 of 58:
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Jun 3 13:28 UTC 2002 |
It's even replicable:
**** copied text follows
Ok: ^D
You are now leaving Spring agora.
grex.cyberspace.org% ft
FrontTalk 0.2.4
Copyright 2001, Jan Wolter
Connected to server
(null): Permission denied, bozo
Welcome to the Spring 2002 Agora!
Your Host: Katie Geddes
New Users: Welcome to Grex!
This conference has been restarted. Type "join winter" for the old version.
227 brandnew items
First item 1, last 229
Browse (item list), Read (new items),
Join confname (type "help conf" for a list of conferences),
Help (for more help), pine (for e-mail)
Quit (to exit) or !change (to change settings).
Ok:
****
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davel
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response 44 of 58:
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Jun 4 01:47 UTC 2002 |
Hmm. Do you happen to have a .cflist with an empty first line or something?
(Or a conference named ",bozo"?) Seems unlikely ...
For what it's worth, when I run it, it comes up looking almost exactly like
picospan, with the first conference in my .cflist. No weird error messages.
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janc
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response 45 of 58:
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Jun 4 02:13 UTC 2002 |
He doesn't have a .cflist. .cfonce looks pretty normal too. I'd have to do
some work to figure out where that message is coming from. It is vaguely
familiar, but I can't place it.
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other
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response 46 of 58:
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Jun 4 06:10 UTC 2002 |
Check .cshrc?
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spooked
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response 47 of 58:
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Jun 4 13:36 UTC 2002 |
I've gotten the bozo message everytime I've run Fronttalk, too - which has
been something like 15 times over a number of months.
I don't have a .cflist file either... might help... good luck in
tracking the problem down.
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davel
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response 48 of 58:
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Jun 4 21:41 UTC 2002 |
Hmm. And spooked appears to use bash, as I do, not csh like jmsaul.
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spooked
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response 49 of 58:
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Jun 5 03:22 UTC 2002 |
That's right (I use the bash shell).
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