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response 25 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 01:57 UTC 2000

Mary, thank you for reminding me...:

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GREX BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING

DATE AND TIME: Monday, 25 September 2000, 7:00pm EDT

PLACE: Upstairs at Zingerman's Next Door
422 Detroit Street, Ann Arbor, Michigan USA

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AGENDA:
01)  <10 sec. - Gavel Banging - other
02)   03 min. - Chairman's Report - other
03)   10 min. - Treasurer's Report - flem
04)   05 min. - Publicity Committee - mta/other
05)   15 min. - Technical Committee - staff
06)   15 min. - Telephone Line Update - staff
07)   15 min. - The Missing Tape Drive Vote - all
08)   15 min. - Schedule next meeting - all
09)   10 min. - New Business - all
10)  >.1 sec. - Gavel Cessation - other

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Please use this item to enter proposed changes or additions to this agenda.
willard
response 26 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 05:42 UTC 2000

I don't see other's mom anywhere on this version...
keesan
response 27 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 13:05 UTC 2000

I would like to hear, as part of 03), how much extra income is attributed to
the credit card payment option, and how much it costs per month to offer. 
Exactly how many foreign members do we currently have?  Are there other
members who would not have paid by check, who are paying by credit card?
ea
response 28 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 21:12 UTC 2000

I paid for my membership by credit card.  I can't speak for anyone else, 
but it was much easier to just pull out the credit card and submit the 
information than it would have been to write out, and mail a check.  
Plus, everyone benefits from this.  The treasurer has less paper to 
process.  Less trees are cut down to make envelopes, checks, and stamps. 
 My postman has one less letter to carry, POSSIBLY preventing him from 
collapsing under the load.  (the straw that broke the camel's back 
theory)  Grex has my money, and I can feel good about donating to a good 
cause.  Everyone wins.
scott
response 29 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 21:25 UTC 2000

(and the banks get a cut, too!)
flem
response 30 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 22:29 UTC 2000

(I heartily assure you that the lack of paper in no way simplifies the 
accounting process for credit card transactions.  Quite the contrary, in 
fact...  Not that ease of accounting is any real consideration w.r.t. 
credit cards.)
keesan
response 31 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 13:32 UTC 2000

I got the impression that we had about five extra members joining due to the
credit card option, but that it was costing about $70/month to have it,
thereby losing close to $50/month in order to make payment slightly more
convenient for a few non-foreign members, and to give the treasurer additional
work.  Is there a trend to enough increase in paid membership directly
attributable to credit cards that it would cover the added cost (not to
mention the added time put in by the treasurer, who could have used it instead
to do something that would save or make money for grex).  
scott
response 32 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 17:31 UTC 2000

Before credit cards we were pretty much stuck at never more than 100 members.
At the moment we are up to 124.
keesan
response 33 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 18:30 UTC 2000

How many of the 124 have paid by credit card, and had not previously ever paid
by check?  Sounds as if it would only need about 15 to break even.
ea
response 34 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 21:19 UTC 2000

Sorry Greg, I didn't realize that credit cards were actually more work.  
I was basing my response on the fact that credit cards do not generate 
smallish pieces of paper which are somewhat easy to misplace (if your 
organizational habits are anything like mine)
keesan
response 35 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 21:35 UTC 2000

I expect that the two companies involved are sending out their own stack of
papers, and that they have to be send papers in return (bills, checks).  
flem
response 36 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 21:53 UTC 2000

Perhaps, but I doubt it.  Or at least, I imagine that correspondence between
the two companies would involve large numbers of transactions on single sheets
of paper, rather than one transaction per small piece of paper.  Summaries,
rather than individual bills, checks, etc.  
scg
response 37 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 06:27 UTC 2000

It's more likely all computerized.  I doubt paper enters into it, at least
once they get past the contract stage.
russ
response 38 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 19:50 UTC 2000

Agenda item:  freeze (permit r-xr-xr-x) all directories of old Agora confs,
beginning at the conference changeover to the newest Agora.
eeyore
response 39 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 13:27 UTC 2000

Why?  They are there to use and abuse as we see fit.  Once again, I think that
that really goes against what we stand for.

janc
response 40 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 14:42 UTC 2000

(resp:15 - Backtalk already has 'twit filters' built in.  On the entrance
 page, hit "Edit your Personal Settings".  At the bottom of the next page,
 hit "Edit list of users to ignore".  I should add that this feature was
 long before 'willard' showed up.)
willard
response 41 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 14:44 UTC 2000

#40: You go, girl.  

     And to to the rest of you: RTFM.
keesan
response 42 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 15:28 UTC 2000

Would it be possible for someone to just set up the proper software and
let the rest of us copy it and make a few changes?  Post instructions on
how to do this somewhere suitable?  (Twit filter for dial-ins or telnets).
cmcgee
response 43 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 18:12 UTC 2000

I don't understand Russ' request.  Are you trying to "archive" these confs
so that no one can write to them, read them, copy them?   
scott
response 44 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 19:16 UTC 2000

He's reacting to willard and jp2's contest to have the "last" item in all the
old agoras as well as the current one.
cmcgee
response 45 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 19:27 UTC 2000

PFfft.  At least they've found a playground that no one else is playing on.
remmers
response 46 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 21:52 UTC 2000

Re #40:  Ah.  Didn't realize you'd added user filtering to
Backtalk.  I presume that came with the last upgrade?
aruba
response 47 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 21:55 UTC 2000

Sindi, I'll send you mail to tell you how to use my twit filter setup.
keesan
response 48 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 02:18 UTC 2000

Thanks, Mark.  But Willard's postings have been hilarious recently and nobody
else has been doing anything offensive in this agora.  I will at least be
prepared if there is another epidemic of pointless postings.
janc
response 49 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 26 03:48 UTC 2000

Backtalk has had 'ignore lists' (AKA 'bozo filters' AKA 'twit filters')
since version 0.9.12, which was released on April 19, 1999.
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