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Grex > Agora46 > #162: The Great North American Blackout of 2003 | |
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jep
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response 25 of 99:
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Aug 17 03:40 UTC 2003 |
I live in Tecumseh. I got my power back around midnight on Thursday
night. Friday morning, I was just finishing breakfast when the power
went out again. There was nowhere to get gas; my Taurus was about
out, so I drove my pickup to work.
There was no power at work, but a few of us went to Pinckney on Friday
and worked for a while from my manager's house. When I got home,
around noon, the power had been back on for less than an hour.
I was able to fill up with gas without waiting in line around 4:00
Friday.
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scg
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response 26 of 99:
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Aug 17 06:40 UTC 2003 |
Friday's San Francisco Chronicle had a headline saying "It could happen here,
expert warns: California vulnerable to blackouts."
Really?
Gray Davis was on TV tonight, claiming credit for this blackout not happening
in California.
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beeswing
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response 27 of 99:
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Aug 17 06:48 UTC 2003 |
Waaah. Memphis had its power out for over a week from the straight line
winds storm.
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scg
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response 28 of 99:
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Aug 17 06:59 UTC 2003 |
One of the San Francisco TV stations last night showed some interviews with
people in Iraq, who were saying something along the lines of, "they've left
us without power for three months, but they think it's a problem when they
lose power for a day?"
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pvn
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response 29 of 99:
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Aug 17 09:42 UTC 2003 |
Damn straight, you ragheads! And whats more, we don't have to have a
big fucking super-power with big phucking military to do the regime
change for you too stoopid or lazy. We do it ourselves in the ballot
box with little or no casualties every couple years.
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scott
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response 30 of 99:
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Aug 17 12:58 UTC 2003 |
Re 27: Well, we get ice storms every couple of years up here in the frozen
white wastelands, with accompanying power outages. This is actually the first
real power outage I've ever had in the summer, but in the last 7-8 years
I've had a couple multi-day outages during freezing weather.
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furs
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response 31 of 99:
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Aug 17 13:16 UTC 2003 |
Which is WAY more convenient for keeping food cold!
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beeswing
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response 32 of 99:
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Aug 17 15:53 UTC 2003 |
Nyup. We can't handle things like ice storms here, but we know to
anticipate problems in the winter. The storm that hit here was totally
unpredicted.
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slynne
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response 33 of 99:
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Aug 17 20:33 UTC 2003 |
Yeah but when there is a power outage in the winter, I have no heat :(.
I dont even care about the no heat too much because I can always pack
up all the animals and head up to my parent's house but if the heat
goes, then the pipes might freeze. Luckily for me, the one time I lost
power for any significant length of time in the winter, it was during
an ice storm and the temp had risen to just above freezing.
On Thursday, I was at work trying to fix some problems related to a
virus we got earlier in the week when the power went down. It didnt
take us long to figure out that it was a big outage because some of our
stores are required to call in if their power goes out. Our phone
system has around 1/2 hour of battery backup.
Around 4:30p, the company decided to close the building. So everyone
left at once. That sucked. Even if the light at the one exit from this
office park was working, there would be a traffic jam. However, it
wasnt working so the traffic got *really* backed up. Some co-workers
and I took some popsicles out of the freezer and sat in the shade
eating them. We waited for about an hour. The roads had cleared
somewhat by 5:30 but it still took me 45 minutes to drive to Ypsi. I
was a little worried about the dogs because I knew they would be doing
a pee pee dance by the time I got home. Luckily, I ended up getting
home only about 1/2 hour later than I normally would get home and they
seemed fine with that.
I had about a 1/4 tank of gas so I had no trouble getting home. I
thought about going up to my parent's house because they have a
generator and also a lake which means it is cooler there. It was really
muggy and hot on Thursday night. But then, I figured that people get
crazy when the power is off and I didnt want to risk having someone
break into my house so I got out all my millions of candles and lit up
the joint! I read a book. I only had pasta for dinner but that is ok
because I like pasta.
On friday, a couple of gas stations in Ypsi opened up and the lines
were LONG. I thought about going to get gasoline but decided it wasnt
worth it to wait in line. When I went to go get gasoline on Saturday
morning, those gas stations had sold out of gas!
My power came back on at around 8:30a on friday. Nothing spoiled from
my freezer. When I checked on things at 8:30a, everything was still
frozen. I still had ice cubes. I didnt open the door until
the power came back on so it held all the coldness inside.
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russ
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response 34 of 99:
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Aug 17 22:13 UTC 2003 |
Winter is certainly more convenient for a lot of cooking-related
stuff. Being able to just stick your freshly-boiled soup stock
outside the window and skim off the congealed fat a few hours
later beats most things Nature does for the cook in the summer.
On the other hand, when the power is out it's very nice not to
have to worry about draining your pipes before they freeze.
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scott
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response 35 of 99:
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Aug 17 23:35 UTC 2003 |
Of course now that I'm living in a house with a woodstove the power failure
is during hot, muggy weather. I did hole up here for a 3-day failure a few
years back, though. Brought the cats over and everything.
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jep
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response 36 of 99:
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Aug 18 00:01 UTC 2003 |
If there's a power outage in the winter lasting more than about 6
hours, my pets are goners. They're tropical fish. They're in 50 and
55 gallon fish tanks and so might last for a few hours.
Since I moved here, I've had one several hour long power outage in the
winter, and that was before I got my fish.
My fish help keep the power running in Tecumseh, I think.
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carson
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response 37 of 99:
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Aug 18 01:04 UTC 2003 |
re #5:#6: (Chicago. beady probably has a more accurate recollection of
this: a couple of years back, during some pretty hot summer days,
there were a number of blackouts, including at least one that affected
the downtown area. the situation left Mayor Daley Jr. none too
pleased and he made a number of public statements to the effect of
"this isn't going to happen again." so far, his word has held up.)
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scg
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response 38 of 99:
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Aug 18 01:49 UTC 2003 |
re 36:
Have you thought about putting your fish on a UPS, John?
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glenda
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response 39 of 99:
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Aug 18 03:17 UTC 2003 |
Staci went off to a sleep over birthday party. I can only imagine a sleep
over party with 8-10 teens with no power. Damon and I sat on the porch,
reading, stitching and talking. We grilled sausages and eggs for dinner.
STeve was at work at MSU which is self contained and had power even though
the rest of the Lansing area didn't. After it got too dark to read outside
I lit candles and continued reading (homework, with a final on Wednesday)
until STeve got home around midnight. I listened to STeve struggle to breath
while I scratched at mosquito bites. We are going to be setting up a battery
backup for his CPAP very, very soon, he did call about checking into the
hospital for the night, but decided that he would try sleeping at home since
they had people that needed the machine more than he did. Spent Friday
reading and stitching on the porch until power came on at 14:00.
We lost milk and cream type stuff from the refrigerator and one fudgecicle
from the freezer. Everything else was ok.
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tod
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response 40 of 99:
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Aug 18 20:43 UTC 2003 |
This response has been erased.
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jep
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response 41 of 99:
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Aug 18 20:59 UTC 2003 |
re resp:38: That's a very good idea! No, I never thought of it.
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jaklumen
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response 42 of 99:
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Aug 19 01:48 UTC 2003 |
A weird but fanciful thought: if this were to continue enough, would
more people consider technologies that would allow them to get off-
grid?
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janc
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response 43 of 99:
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Aug 19 03:21 UTC 2003 |
Maybe. Maybe not. You can put solar panels on the roof. Mostly how they
work is they feed power into the grid and you draw power off the grid. So
maybe you sell power to the utility during the day, and buy it back at night.
What does this buy you when the grid is down? Not too much. If you actually
want this to provide power for you when the grid is down, then you'll need
to have your own energy storage - batteries maybe. The system just got a lot
more expensive. And you need capacity to satisfy your peak need, so the solar
panel just got a lot bigger. Really getting off grid costs a lot of money.
I was interested in the behavior of the two phone networks during the
blackout - landlines stayed up and worked without a hitch, while the cell
phone network disintegrated. The cell phone network problems weren't because
they lost power - it was because of excess demand. There isn't anything
intrinsic to the technologies that says the land network should be more
robust. I think it has to do with history - the land network was built by
a regulated monopoly, the cell phone network was built by a free market.
In a competitive marketplace, it doesn't make sense to design a communications
network with a lot of excess capacity. It costs money and earns you no
reliablity. If you over build like that, other companies will undercut your
price and put you out of business. A free market cannot build a phone network
as reliable as the old Bell Network.
I think this is the issue with deregulation of the energy companies as well.
You cannot simultaneously maximize reliability and and profit in a competitive
market, so deregulation will get us flakier power grids.
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sj2
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response 44 of 99:
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Aug 19 05:26 UTC 2003 |
Nationalise them ;-)
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rcurl
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response 45 of 99:
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Aug 19 06:12 UTC 2003 |
Our AT&T phone cards could not be used last Thursday and Friday (at
least): busy signals on the 1-800 numbers. Even landlines don't work if
an intermediate facility is down or jammed.
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mary
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response 46 of 99:
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Aug 19 10:25 UTC 2003 |
Our Sprint cell phones worked great.
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jmsaul
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response 47 of 99:
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Aug 19 12:03 UTC 2003 |
Our landlines were out, but we're in Verizon (formerly GTE) territory. I had
some problems with system overload on the cell phones (AT&T), but as the
outage progressed it became harder and harder to get a signal at all. I'm
wondering if towers were dropping off as their battery backups ran out or
something.
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gelinas
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response 48 of 99:
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Aug 19 12:20 UTC 2003 |
That was the report I heard on NPR, jmsaul. The problem was particularly
acute in places like NYC, where it was assumed the towers, often built
on the roofs of buildings, would always have power so no backup system
was included at all.
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cmcgee
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response 49 of 99:
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Aug 19 13:03 UTC 2003 |
My AAT phone card worked like a breeze Thursday afternoon/evening, and all
day Friday. Got almost all my "big-picture" information by calling a cousin
and having him give me the latest update. Never got a busy signal.
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