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jep
response 25 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 14:06 UTC 2002

I'm curious; my wife and I will be divorced by the end of the year.  
How does that work for taxes?  Do they pro-rate the tax rate so we pay 
one rate until the divorce is finalized, then the other rate?  Do we 
pay as singles, or as married, for the whole year?  I should probably 
find out, as I may not be having the right amount withheld at this 
point.
ric
response 26 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 14:13 UTC 2002

I haven't bothered to read the rest of this item because I'm generally lazy.

HOWEVER, two years ago we ended up owing over $4000 to the Feds, and Adrienne
and I couldn't come up with the money.

The IRS will allow you to go on a payment plan as long as your payments:

#1 - pay off the debt in 3 years or less
#2 - you are not already on a payment plan

There may be some other requirements as well, but it was pretty simple. 
There's a form you fill out but I'm not sure what form it is.

Ask a tax advisor.
polygon
response 27 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 15:17 UTC 2002

Re 26.  I don't think that 3-year rule is ironclad, but it probably
depends on the circumstances.  They do consider what is realistic given a
person's income.
slynne
response 28 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 17:11 UTC 2002

Jep, I am pretty sure that until the divorce is finalized, you guys 
will be filing as married. Now, that could be bad for you if you have 
to file on your own but still married. It depends on Andrea's income. 
What you can do to give yourself an idea is go get some tax forms and 
fill them out as if you werent filing jointly and see if you owe or 
not. Next year's taxes are likely to be similar. 
jared
response 29 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 18:44 UTC 2002

I always do my taxes as soon as possible.  I ended up paying a few years
back and it was painful.  This way you can know what you owe as soon as
possible.

Paying the feds $1k with a few days notice when that's all you have for the
next 4+ weeks makes it interesting to live.
keesan
response 30 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 20:21 UTC 2002

I expect that your tax payments are based on your marital status on Dec 31.
John might save some tax money by delaying the divorce until January if Andrea
is not working much, but then they would have to come to some agreement on
who got any refunds.
jep
response 31 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 03:40 UTC 2002

I don't think Andrea is going to put up with the divorce being delayed 
until January.

We got an (unexpected) refund this year, and have provisionally worked 
out a way to handle it; the check will come addressed to us both so 
we'll sign it at the credit union and ask them to give us each our 
half.  We could deal with that again next year if necessary.

Yep, I looked up the instructions for 1040A at www.irs.gov, and it says 
your marital status is as of Dec 31.
bdh3
response 32 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 06:01 UTC 2002

There used to be a tax dodge that I seem to recall involved flying to
a carribean island late december, getting divorced there prior to the
31st, and then getting remarried before leaving the first week(s) in
january.  I don't recall the details of why that was a good thing from
the tax standpoint...

Just spent a 4 hour marathon session doing the taxes and we're gonna
file an extension anyway (as usual).  Noticed that this year the
exemption for mary wilson has mysteriously disappeared (apparently the
more you make the less you can deduct of it until it quickly becomes 0).
The 'marriage penalty' doesn't appear to be as bad - this years version
of the tax program we use actually has an entire section devoted to 
a side by side comparison of married filing singly -vs- jointly. No
longer will she be refered to as 'our little tax deduction' Other
things that were formerly 'pretax' are now showing up, sigh.

The IRS recently released data for tax year 1999 - how interesting 
that they are so far behind...Crunching the numbers one finds such
interesting datum as '2% of the population pays 90% of the taxes' -
which I guess is as it was supposed to be when the current IRS thingy
was enacted in 1913 - although under the original plan, only the top
2% 'earner' paid any taxes at all, the rest of the 98% of the 
population paid no income tax at all.

More and more I am in favor of a flat tax across the board with
no deductions - everybody pays their fair share.  More and more
I am become convinced that the current tax situation is fundamentally
flawed as it doesn't treat each citizen equally.
bdh3
response 33 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 06:10 UTC 2002

Oh, by the way, filing an extension doesn't mean that we don't have to
pay taxes, we do - you have to send money with the extension of what
you think your taxes are.  It just means that we have more unproductive
time to waste over the next months crunching numbers to try to reduce
the tax bite and try to get some money 'back'- applied to next year.

It is interesting to note that the illegal drug 'industry' - which at
least involves production and consumption of a tangible product - is
is still less than the 'tax preparation' industry in terms of total
'revenue'.  H&R Block spends orders of magnitude more than either
the NRA or 'the oil companies' in 'lobbying' in DC each and every year.
 
cmcgee
response 34 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 12:10 UTC 2002

jep, your W-2 withholding amount can be changed to anything you want.  I
had them withhold extra money last year while I was married so that I would
not be underwithheld when I was taxed as a single person.  If you do it
now, the extra amount each month won't be much.  Waiting until June, or
August, or whatever just makes the $s you have to make up that much more
per month.
jp2
response 35 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 13:03 UTC 2002

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drew
response 36 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 19:43 UTC 2002

Is it the habit of so many people to spend *every last dime* they get in
paychecks the instant they get it?
keesan
response 37 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 12 21:58 UTC 2002

No, I think most people spend it a long time BEFORE they get it.
I bet bdh would not be in favor of a flat tax if he were in the 15% bracket
and it suddenly became a 25% bracket.
bdh3
response 38 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 00:28 UTC 2002

Yes I would.  I like fairness.  I like equality.  The current tax
structure is neither equal nor fair.
bru
response 39 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 02:06 UTC 2002

If I was making enough to save money, I would.  Yes, we live basically
paycheck to paycheck.  It isn't fun, but what choice do we have.
russ
response 40 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 02:24 UTC 2002

Re #32:  It was a good idea because it let two spouses earning
roughly the same money file as "single" and claim bigger combined
standard deductions while simultaneously cutting their top tax
bracket because each earned roughly half the income of the couple.

Re #37:  I must be a real outlier.  If I don't have enough liquid
assets to coast for 6 months I get really nervous.
mvpel
response 41 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 02:28 UTC 2002

I forgot to adjust my witholding while Caren was out of work last year, and
we wound up with a very large refund.
jep
response 42 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 15:41 UTC 2002

re #34: I have two exemptions claimed on my W4, but am eligible for 
four (me, John, head of household and the child tax credit), according 
to the W4 form on-line at www.irs.gov.  I should get a refund next 
year, and am satisfied with that.  It's my vacation savings plan.  (-:

re #36: Like Bruce, I am living differently than I am used to, and 
differently than I want to.  In the last 4 months I've gone from not 
worrying about money at all because my wife did it, to doing it all 
myself.

I started the year with no savings at all.  I've saved some money, but 
then had it quickly absorbed by (in some cases) unavoidable costs; a 
lawyer, some car repairs, and the surprising amount by which my Visa 
balance has increased.  I have the money to cover all of these.  I 
count that as a triumph, if a limited one.

I will continue to save money, and I will increase the amount I save.  
It has embarrassed me that I've been making double what I did 4 years 
ago, but not had any savings.  It wasn't solely my choice.  Now it is 
all up to me
jep
response 43 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 15:42 UTC 2002

(I omitted a period from the previous response.)
jep
response 44 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 15:56 UTC 2002

Does anyone understand, and know how to use, something called a medical 
IRA?  It's something about having money withdrawn from your paycheck or 
set aside for use for medical expenses, pre-tax so it's not taxed.  
There my knowledge of it ends.

How do you use the money?  Do you just tell your doctor's office about 
it and they handle it, or do you have to send in forms, or what?  It 
sounds like it might be worthwhile to me to use, since if I continue 
with therapy once per week after MCARE stops paying most of it, I'll be 
spending $250-300 per month.  It may be too late to do that this year, 
due to rules on making changes in benefits at work, but there's always 
next year.
aruba
response 45 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 23:04 UTC 2002

The medical expense accounts I'm familiar with work through your employer,
who deducts money from your paycheck to put in the account.  Then you submit
medical bills to them to be paid.  I'd ask your HR department if they have
one.
flem
response 46 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 23:19 UTC 2002

My employer has something like that, called a Flexible Spending account. 
What happens is that you specify a certain amount to be
deducted from your paycheck pre-tax, which goes into a pool
somewhere that can be used to pay for various medical, dental, 
etc. expenses.  If you don't have those expenses, you eventually
lose the money.  You can only change the amount you put in 
at certain times, which IIRC weren't very often. 
  Seems like it's a good deal if you have very fixed, very 
regular expenses that you know will continue for a long time.  
Otherwise, it's a ripoff.  
keesan
response 47 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 14 00:38 UTC 2002

Bdh, would you consider it equal and fair if you were to be making the same
amount per hour as a checkout clerk, no matter what sort of work you did?
Then you would not have to pay any more taxes than the clerk does.
jep
response 48 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 14 02:09 UTC 2002

re #45, 46: I know we have the program; I just have never understood 
how you use it.  I should ask my HR department, definitely; it could 
save me a couple of hundred bucks per year in taxes.
gelinas
response 49 of 144: Mark Unseen   Apr 14 03:58 UTC 2002

If I recall correctly, the unused balance is forfeit to the IRS at the end
of the year.
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