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bdh3
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response 25 of 85:
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Jun 4 08:08 UTC 2002 |
Surf works best for me.
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keesan
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response 26 of 85:
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Jun 4 16:21 UTC 2002 |
Air conditioners make loud white noise. Around here it is difficult to find
any portion of the FM spectrum that is between stations. You have to get a
receiver that requires an antenna and remove the antenna and avoid local
stations.
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slynne
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response 27 of 85:
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Jun 4 20:59 UTC 2002 |
Bull Dozers are temporary but they have been out there m-f since April
and probably wont be finished with the road work until November.
I used to live in a neighborhood that I am sure would cause Sindi to
curl up and die if she ever had to live there. Barking dogs in the
middle of the night were not the noise problem. It was frat boys
barking like dogs after drinking that were the noise problem. They had
a bull horn too in order to amplifly their voices. Every weekend the
whole neighborhood was littered with those little plastic cups that
people get for their keg parties, beer cans and bottles, pizza boxes
with flyers attached to them, etc. They would shoot off fire crackers
every night in the summer from dusk to about 5am when they usually went
to bed. That kind of bugged me but only because my dogs are scared of
fire crackers. Living in that neighborhood is probably why I always
think of Sindi's problems as beeing...well...trivial.
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glenda
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response 28 of 85:
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Jun 5 00:12 UTC 2002 |
When the students around here do that sort of thing I like to send Damon out
to practice revely (sp) on his trumpet at about 6:30am. Unfortunately STeve
always manages to stop him before he actually gets out. Sigh
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keesan
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response 29 of 85:
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Jun 5 03:37 UTC 2002 |
Good thing, since most of your neighbors are probably as bothered as you are
by the noise that a few students make. Reveille?
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oval
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response 30 of 85:
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Jun 5 03:59 UTC 2002 |
wake up
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glenda
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response 31 of 85:
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Jun 5 12:08 UTC 2002 |
Most of the area is student and most of them are involved with the party.
I think the few families on our block would applaud him.
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slynne
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response 32 of 85:
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Jun 5 14:50 UTC 2002 |
It probably wouldnt bother the students and getting into a power
struggle with them is also futile. I'll bet calling the cops doesnt
help much either. But, if you are a person who values quiet in the
mornings, why move into a student area? I mean, it isnt like it is a
big secret that the students are loud at night.
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glenda
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response 33 of 85:
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Jun 5 15:51 UTC 2002 |
STeve grew up in this house, won't move anywhere else. I have talked to them,
sometimes you can reason with them other times they're too drunk for
reasoning. Those times I call the cops. Usually only have to call once for
them to get the idea to keep it down. Other groups you can call every party
and sometimes more than once a night. If the cops have to come out a second
time in one night or the third time to one house arrests will be made. That
usually takes care of that house. Often that is enough for the whole area
since they talk to each other and word gets out. Other times it has to be
done a house at a time and takes 2-4 before word gets around.
Since we moved back into the house last August I have called the police twice.
Once for a loud party and once for a hit and run in front of our house. I
had to yell out the back door once for them to be quiet or I would call.
Either we are getting a better quality student lately or it just has been too
cold for them to move the parties outside.
Their have been other times it was loud but since it was a weekend and I
hadn't gone to bed yet and Staci wasn't complaining (she has the bedroom
nearst the worst area for parties) I didn't do anything. Would have if it
continued until I went to bed or Staci had complained I would have called (if
she hadn't cussed them out through the window first).
Yes there are students in the area, but it is a family neighborhood first.
Our street is mostly families or owner occupied. The biggest problems are
the side street, the sorority down a block one way and the apartments/frat
houses at the other end of the street. The students houses have come into
being as older couples have retired and sold the big house to the campus
rental companies. I am lucky that my kids are older and usually stay up later
than me. I pity the two families down the block that have small children
(even when we lived there when they were younger mine could sleep through
almost anything).
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slynne
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response 34 of 85:
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Jun 5 17:42 UTC 2002 |
I guess the moral of the story is to really be careful when buying a
house. I dont really feel sorry for people who choose to live in noisy
neighborhoods even if they have small children. One nice thing about it
is that you know no one will dare complain about the noise the kids
make during the day!
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happyboy
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response 35 of 85:
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Jun 5 18:06 UTC 2002 |
i'd rather hear a barking dog than some welfare mom
screaming at her twitching hyperactive spawn
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glenda
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response 36 of 85:
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Jun 5 18:55 UTC 2002 |
I didn't let my kids scream during the day. If they got too noisy they had
to come in. Didn't have to make them come in very often. When STeve's mother
bought the house there were no students in that area, it was totally families.
The students encrouched over the years as the older people sold the house and
moved out. STeve grew up being told that it was the "family estate" and would
be his someday. That day came on January 19, 2001 when his mother died.
I can understand the college students wanting to live in off campus housing
rather than in dorms but they need to understand that off campus housing comes
with community obligations that are different than on campus housing.
I live in terror that one of them is going to come speeding down the street
at the wrong time and hit one of the elemenatry kids getting on the bus or
walking home. I have seen them come through there at over 50 mph, the street
is 4 blocks long! I have almost been hit myself numerous times and I watch
for the idiots, little kids don't especially if they are playing.
I can hardly wait until tomorrow night. The elementary school is having their
annual Ice Cream Social from 6-8 and will have the entire block closed off.
They constantly go the wrong way down the one way side street I doubt they
will pay attention to a saw horse in the road.
It doesn't matter where you live or who you are, you should be considerate
of your neighbors and obey the laws. You don't do 50 in a 4 block residential
area and you don't drive the wrong way on a one way street (at over the speed
limit) just because you don't want to drive around the block. You don't make
so much noise that the neighbors need to call the cops. If you get drunk
enough to be sick, don't puke over the fence into a neighbor's yard. Don't
throw your trash over the neighbor's fence. Don't drive your car into the
fence and knock it down.
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scg
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response 37 of 85:
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Jun 5 20:18 UTC 2002 |
I grew up in that neighborhood too, on a block where the fraternity count
increased dramatically after my parents bought the house. Things did indeed
get much quieter once the police started enforcing the noise ordinance, and
the University started going after fraternities that got lots of complaints.
Some of the neighbors also started inviting the fraternity people to parties
at their houses to meet the non-fraternity neighbors, and that seemed to help
some too.
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slynne
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response 38 of 85:
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Jun 5 20:46 UTC 2002 |
So how are you going to make these UofM students understand that living
off campus has more community responsibilities than living on campus?
If someone gets along with most of their neighbors but one neighbor is
always calling the cops on them, what kind of conclusion to you suppose
they will come to? Steve's thought of inviting the fraternity people to
parties is a good one. It is harder to be thoughtless if you know the
neighbors.
*shrug* You will have a hard time keeping the students out of the
neighborhood. That is just basic economics. If forces are driving them
into the neighborhood and those forces stay the same, you might even
find that more and more families move out and more and more students
move in. I think that if I had kids, I wouldnt choose to live in a
neighborhood with a lot of nighttime noise but would instead opt for a
neighborhood with a lot of daytime kid noise. If I were a college
student, I would choose to live in a neighborhood with a lot of other
college students because loud parties are tolerated more in such
neighborhoods. Eventually, you might find that the police department
stops coming out quickly for noise violations in that neighborhood.
Being that they are 18-22 years old and often from very sheltered
suburban upper middle class homes, your young neighbors just are going
to be wild. Sometimes, if you have a friendly relationship with them,
you can explain why they should slow down around the school. I am sure
they arent horrible people, they are just young and thoughtless. They
probably still think that the reason they shouldnt speed is because a
cop might get them not because they might hurt some kid. They dont have
kids so they arent in that mindset where they think about children's
safety.
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jmsaul
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response 39 of 85:
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Jun 5 21:13 UTC 2002 |
What neighborhood is this, out of curiosity?
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keesan
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response 40 of 85:
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Jun 5 21:28 UTC 2002 |
Why does STeve insist on living there? Does he not mind the noise? I thought
you also wanted to live some place with offstreet parking because he has
trouble walking very far. Isn't it easier to move some place else than to
make this place into something acceptable?
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slynne
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response 41 of 85:
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Jun 5 21:31 UTC 2002 |
I am going to guess that it is that neighborhood near Washtenaw between
Hill and Geddes. That is just a guess. I am pretty sure there is a
school back there though.
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ea
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response 42 of 85:
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Jun 5 21:36 UTC 2002 |
I live roughly a block east of where Glenda does, and it's much quieter.
I think that the "edge" of the student neighborhood is the end of the
street that the Andre's live on. There used to be a fraternity house at
the top of my street, but I think the fraternity has either moved on or
has been sanctioned by the University. There does seem to be some
activity in the house pretty recently, I think some other group may have
purchased the house. Even when it was a fraternity, there were only a
few nights (in the 15 years that we've lived here) where they really got
loud enough to be a real problem.
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scg
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response 43 of 85:
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Jun 5 22:33 UTC 2002 |
Part of learning to live around other people is learning to take reasonable
precautions against bothering them. Some people, maybe particularly college
aged people, may not want to learn this, but they've presumably got to learn
it sometime. I don't think many people living in that neighborhood object
to the idea of college students having parties -- it's just a matter of
wanting the music kept inside, and at volumes that don't penetrate the
neighbors' bedrooms. It's really just a matter of common courtesy.
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glenda
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response 44 of 85:
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Jun 6 00:36 UTC 2002 |
South University between Washtenaw and Oxford.
Sindi I already said it. STeve grew up in this house. It is the only thing
his mother left him. He will not move. We moved in against my wishes. I
had strongly stated when we moved out 5 years ago that I would not move back
until the necessary repairs had been made and something was done about the
parking situation. I do not enjoy living in a house with huge holes in the
roof, no hot water, a kitchen sink that won't drain and electric service so
old that I can't plug in a simple kitchen appliance, my sewing machine or an
iron without blowing a fuse.
Why did I? Because he insisted and he is my husband. His adulthood dream
has been to get the house and bring it back to the splendor it must have had
when it was first built.
I do try to at least get on a nodding and/or saying hello to whatever
neighbors we have. I usually go over and politely ask for things to quiet
down the first time a party happens and explain why. Sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't.
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keesan
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response 45 of 85:
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Jun 6 01:58 UTC 2002 |
Sounds like nobody has done any upgrades or even much maintenance on this
house since it was first built. If your sink is like my sink was, sounds like
you need the drain system replaces as well as the electrical system. Good
luck finding some way to survive there. Any chance of a new roof soon?
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jmsaul
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response 46 of 85:
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Jun 6 02:04 UTC 2002 |
I actually know that neighborhood, because bhoward and I lived in an apartment
on Walnut when I was an undergrad. That was pretty heavily student-dominated
even then.
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glenda
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response 47 of 85:
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Jun 6 02:53 UTC 2002 |
STeve' mother bought the house in 64 with the insurance money from his
father's death. She put a new roof on it then, but not gutters. Little to
no maintenance has been done since then. The kitchen has not been updated
since WWII. We bought a cheap refrigerator and stove for use until we get
the needed stuff done. The roof leaks are on the second floor under the attic
roof eaves. Would not be holes if she had put gutters on the attic roof for
the water to flow away instead of pounding on the second floor.
The kitchen drain just needs to be replaced. The kludge we did has recently
failed and we haven't been home with extra time at the same time that Damon
has had the sinks cleaned out to do another kludge. It is broken just below
floor level and since the floor is being replaced along with all the plumbing
it isn't worth digging things up until we're ready to do the whole thing
properly.
Things sort of went on hold when STeve had his stroke. Getting him back on
his feet has taken priority over everything except my classes (I gave him
priority, he yelled at me to give it back to my classes, didn't want to add
extra stress on him to slow healing so...) We are getting back into doing
other things and priority is slowly shifting back to the house unless Staci
does have to have surgery #4 on her hand.
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keesan
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response 48 of 85:
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Jun 6 11:46 UTC 2002 |
My kitchen is the original and the house was built no later than the 30s.
The white sink is brownish-white now but it still works, and I have the
original built-in-place cabinets, which work fine and are 5' long. In the
fifties someone boxed in the area under the sink cheaply so I replaced the
latch which had rusted out. The plumbing was more of a problem.
I hope you can continue your balancing act long enough to start moving in the
direction you want to go faster than you are moving backwards. How is STeve
feeling nowadays?
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slynne
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response 49 of 85:
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Jun 6 13:35 UTC 2002 |
If it makes you feel better, Glenda. Those houses in that area are
worth a good chunk of money so fixing up the house is probably a good
investment.
Re: common courtesy - While I cant disagree with you that it is common
courtesy to try to keep the noise down a bit when one has parties, if
one lives in a neighborhood where such parties are the norm, it is a
little bit different. It makes total sense for those who are more
nocturnal to live in the same neighborhoods. Frankly, if I were the
type of person who *really* wanted to have loud night time parties, I
would move to a neighborhood where there are lots of loud night time
parties.
I know that when I was more nocturnal, I used to get pissed off when
the same people who felt it was perfectly acceptable to make whatever
noise they wanted in the daytime and would actually say that "normal
people sleep at night" when I asked them to not mow their lawn outside
my bedroom window before 4pm would then expect me to be quiet at night
because it was "common courtesy". It has been my experience that
usually it is the cranky neighbor who calls the cops who is also the
one who wont even consider for a moment altering their own behavior in
the interest of politeness. I have no sympathy for such people.
I have to admit that I have a button about neighbors who call the cops
before talking to the neighbors. I mean, even when I was younger and
thoughtless, if a neighbor came by and asked for the music to be turned
down, we pretty much always would do that. I wont go into my
whole "nobody complains when the loud music is Wagner" experiments.
It also bugs me when people move into a neighborhood and then get all
upset about stuff the people who have always lived there do. My folk's
neighbors across the street did that. They moved into the neighborhood
and immediately started bitching about everyone else. One neighbor owns
a lot next to theirs that he uses to store his stuff. He has old cars
and tractors and parts of things and well, junk. No one disagrees that
it is ugly but they knew about this the whole time they were building
their house so why are they bitching now? It also isnt a secret that
students are loud and obnoxious. So if you move into a neighborhood
that has a lot of students (even if the reason for the choice is
marital happiness), why complain about the noise? I mean DUH!
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