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bruin
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response 25 of 94:
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Mar 25 17:27 UTC 2002 |
It is the first time that an African-American actress won the Best
Actress Oscar(tm), and Denzel Washington the second African-American
Best Actor (Sidney Poitier was the first).
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eskarina
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response 26 of 94:
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Mar 25 17:52 UTC 2002 |
LOTR didn't take ANY big ones?
As usual, I haven't seen any of the movies that actually won the Oscars. So
I take full responsibility for cursing LOTR out of the winner's circle.
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remmers
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response 27 of 94:
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Mar 25 18:15 UTC 2002 |
LOTR won best cinematography. I consider that to be a "big" award.
Your mileage may vary.
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oval
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response 28 of 94:
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Mar 25 22:06 UTC 2002 |
who got art direction?
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tpryan
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response 29 of 94:
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Mar 25 22:51 UTC 2002 |
Moulin Rouge, I think.
Whoopie started with a monolouge that sounded like it was
written for Johnny Carson. Modern stuff, just sounded Carson-esque.
I like how Randy Newman stopped the musicains before they
could start and drown out his first win in 16 tries speech.
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senna
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response 30 of 94:
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Mar 26 03:39 UTC 2002 |
I'm hearing a lot of talk about how big of a deal it is that African Americans
swept the best acting Oscars. I'm rather disappointed. You'd think we'd be
at a stage of "enlightenment" where one wouldn't even raise an eyebrow at what
color the actors happened to be. I'm particularly ashamed at the greater
entertainment industry, Hollywood as its crown jewel, which has often thought
of itself as a champion of social issues. This is another unfortunate blow
to their credibility. I'm especially amused by people who "understand the
plight of the black actor" or root for the "little engine that could." Talk
about arrogance... that creates more problems than it solves.
Oh well, I'm pleased with most of the winners. LOTR is a fun movie and well
done, but not Best Picture material. Denzel is a winner I'm pleased with,
not because he's black but because I'm extremely impressed every time I see
him on screen. Beautiful Mind was a good pic, too.
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bdh3
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response 31 of 94:
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Mar 26 05:28 UTC 2002 |
Agreed. If you want people appointed to jobs because of their ability
and character, vote republican as they seem to be the groundbreakers.
Otherwise if you want filipinos playing 'native americans' (Lou Diamond
Philips is sure indian ain't he), mexicans playing greeks (not just
zorba, ol' tony sure did a few), germans playing mexicans (the original
_Magnificent Seven_ ) and jews playing italians look to hollywood to
talk the talk but not walk the walk. Part of it is that they are
a reflection of the culture and it is true that to there have been few
leaders rather than merely followers, but 'hollywood's 'job' if you
will is not 'social engineering' but rather entertainment. The
goverment doesn't do a very good job of producing entertaining films
(well, not intentionally) and it is rare when a popular hollywood film
also has a social message that folk see as beneficial.
Should studios be required to toe some EEOC line and
produce X% of content featuring 'ethnic stories'? Well, it doesn't
often 'sell' that well even when done voluntarily. Should actors
portraying ethnicities be required to be of that ethnicity? Well,
Alec Guinness did a pretty good job in _Lawrence of Arabia_ (so well
in fact that the role of Feisal was attributed to another brit in
an academy special oscar some years ago...). And sometimes the racism
does go the other way, remember who's project _Malcom X_ was?
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scott
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response 32 of 94:
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Mar 26 14:21 UTC 2002 |
(Don't remember any Mexican characters in the original "Magnificent Seven".
Lots of Japanese characters, though.)
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polygon
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response 33 of 94:
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Mar 26 14:56 UTC 2002 |
Of the nominated movies, the only ones I saw were "Shrek" and "Monsters
Inc." I'm glad to hear they both won awards.
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brighn
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response 34 of 94:
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Mar 26 16:21 UTC 2002 |
I don't remember any Japanese characters in the original "Magnificent Seven."
There are quite a few in "The Seven Samurai," though.
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scott
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response 35 of 94:
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Mar 26 17:25 UTC 2002 |
"Magnificent Seven" was the original Japanese movie. When it was finally
shown in the US the name was changed to "Seven Samurai" to avoid confusion
with the western remake.
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slynne
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response 36 of 94:
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Mar 26 21:22 UTC 2002 |
Hey richard picked them pretty well. He got 4 out of 6.
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brighn
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response 37 of 94:
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Mar 26 22:36 UTC 2002 |
I didn't know "Magnificent" or "Seven" were Japanese words.
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scott
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response 38 of 94:
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Mar 27 01:22 UTC 2002 |
brighn, are you actually claiming that the Japanese don't have a word for the
number seven? ;)
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jmsaul
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response 39 of 94:
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Mar 27 02:27 UTC 2002 |
Well, they don't like to say it...
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other
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response 40 of 94:
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Mar 27 04:21 UTC 2002 |
Shichi!
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brighn
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response 41 of 94:
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Mar 27 04:38 UTC 2002 |
#38> Actually, Japanese has many words for "seven," depending on what they're
counting. ;}
IMDB gives the original title as Shichinin no Samurai. IIRC, -nin is the
counter for people. Literal translation: "Seven people who are Samurai"; best
translation: "Seven Samurai." The word "Magnificent" is not in Kurosawa's
Japanese title, unless my Japanese is worse than I thought.
Yes, IMDB does confirm that the original English language title was
"Magnificent Seven."
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lowclass
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response 42 of 94:
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Mar 27 05:59 UTC 2002 |
I'd like to think the Best Actor and Best actress awards were given
on merit. But, from a racial equality and ECONOMIC perspective, you can't
act a role that hasn't been offered, and you can't offer a role that
hasn't been written. From the writer's perspective, there's not much point
from at least a financial perspective, in writing something that nobody will
purchase or present as a finished film.
That's the chain of cause and effect in movies and media, and the
commonly accepted practice is slowly showing improvements as far as roles and
minority actors are concerned. I consider it beneficial to society as a whole.
But actresses still see their career possibilities melt into thin air
before they reach forty.
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oval
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response 43 of 94:
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Mar 27 16:45 UTC 2002 |
thank you, lowclass.
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brighn
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response 44 of 94:
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Mar 27 17:04 UTC 2002 |
#42> I have a title for your thesis: "The Oscar Awards: Affirmative Action
in Action." I remember when Haley Joel Osment was passed up for the Oscar for
"The Sixth Sense." There was a lot of complaining about how he did such a good
job for a child. And he did. He did an excellent job for a child. He did a
"pretty good" job when compared to the other (adult) actors. I didn't see a
foul there.
When I left "Training Day," I was saying to myself, "Wow, that was intense!
Denzel Washington deserves an Oscar for that." The thought, "Denzel Washington
was the best black actor I've seen" didn't go through my head; the thought
"Denzel Washington did the best acting job I've seen in a while" *did.*
I'll admit that I haven't seen any of the other movies on the "Best Actor"
list. I have no doubt Russell Crowe did an excellent job, he's a great actor.
One consideration that does seem to follow in the Oscars is whether someone
has recently received the same award, and Crowe just won for Gladiator. Sean
Penn has a history of making bad movies, so while I haven't seen "I Am Sam,"
an actor's filmography does have an effect (Hanks fought hard to shed his
Bachelor Party days). Had Will Smith won the Oscar, we'd be having this same
conversation. And "In the Bedroom" was too low-profile to get as much of a
nod as the other ones on the "Best Actor" list. So the selection of Washington
seems logical to me, based on the field, and it had nothing to do with race.
I haven't seen "Monster's Ball," so I can't comment on Barry's job.
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slynne
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response 45 of 94:
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Mar 27 19:35 UTC 2002 |
I have not seen "Ali" or "I am Sam" so I cant really comment fully on
the best actor award. However, from what I would have seen, I probably
would have picked Russell Crowe because he really did a fabulous job.
On the other hand, Denzel Washington also did a fabulous job in
Training Day. I wasnt surprised or outraged that he won. He easily was
my second choice.
I saw all the films where best actresses were nominated except
Monster's Ball. I had heard that Barry's performance was surprisingly
good. It had to be better than Nicole Kidman at least. I was offended
that she was even nominated. Her performance wasnt just not good, it
was HORRIBLE. Oh well. That is just my opinion :) I was totally biased
in this catagory though. I enjoyed Bridget Jones's Diary so much I just
really wanted Renee Zellwegger to win.
Here is one thought I did have about the whole race factor. There
really is no way to tell if it was a factor or not and if it was a
factor, how much of a factor. I think many of the same people (who for
the most part seem to be white people) who are saying that Washington
and Barry won because of their race would be saying something very
different if a white actor and actress had won those awards. Picture
it: white folk win the award and some black people say "I think they
won because they are white" The people who are saying that Washington
and Barry won because of their race now would be the same people who
would be saying "No no no, the white people won because they are the
ones who deserved to win. Black people are soooooo sensitive and they
always say it is about race when they lose"
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brighn
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response 46 of 94:
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Mar 27 19:55 UTC 2002 |
I was surprised that Kidman was nominated for Moulin Rouge and not The Others.
The Others was a better performance on her part, although I enjoyed Moulin
Rouge, overall, more.
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oval
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response 47 of 94:
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Mar 27 19:59 UTC 2002 |
cuz she was shaking that booty.
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mary
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response 48 of 94:
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Mar 27 22:08 UTC 2002 |
If the Academy decided to award Oscars based on the race of an individual,
that would probably be seen as insensitive and wrong. Imagine, "Best
performance in a leading role by a black is...". Yet, every year they
catagorize these artists by gender and that is seen as just fine and
dandy. How odd.
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oval
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response 49 of 94:
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Mar 27 22:12 UTC 2002 |
.. or how 'bout "best female director" and "best male director"
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