response 26 of 43:

May 31 03:03 UTC 1994

No.  That is like saying all rock bands sound the same.  For example, I will 
look at two popular subcategories, noise or "pure", and dance.  The first
acknowledged pure industrial band is usually considered throbbing gristle.
Their music is extremely harsh, and even less accessable than Skinny Puppy.
Groups like Einsturzende Nuebauten fall loosely into this category.  Even the
subgroups differ completely.  Much as various composers all sound different.
The trick to pure ind. is to create an overwhelming sound, that both alienates
and entrances.  The other type I wanna talk about ius dance ind.  Groups like
Front 242, Ministry, Skinny Puppy, fit in here.  Here a definate beat is very
important.  The 'noise' accentuates the beat, and revolves around it, whereas
the pure ind. has the beat revolving around the noise.  Industrial music is
getting harder and harder to classify, due to the enormous diversity.

response 28 of 43:

Jun 3 13:47 UTC 1994

I dunno.  Personally, I had heard of industrial before I had any clue what it 
was, much less what bands were classified as such.  Its probably because the
term is very difficult to properly use.  Why?  Because so many bands now use
features common in industrial music.  Almost every pop band is mainly electonic
and uses a drum machine.  Even Madonna has used samples before.  It is getting
more and more difficult to classify music.  To top things off, it is now
generally assumed industrial music died about 5 years ago.  That means whatever
we have out there now remains unclassified.  But give the magazines a chance,
they'll come up with a good title sooner or later.  heh heh.

response 30 of 43:

Jun 4 18:33 UTC 1994

NIN(can't get the second N backwards) is the best. although i must admit that
closer is the best song.  you can have my isolation you can have the hate that
it brings you can have my absence of faith you can have my everything

response 32 of 43:

Jun 4 19:36 UTC 1994

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response 34 of 43:

Jun 6 21:46 UTC 1994

Okay Matt, I'm gonna pretend like I never saw those blasphemous lies about 242.
They basically kept the industrial scene alive during the rougher parts of
the eighties, and believe it or not defined alot of how industrial would move
in the next coming years.  The classic industrial is very kewl, and its nice
to see younger people (gee, I feel so old) listenin to it.  I am prob. the
youngest person I have met who enjoys it.  As for Ministry, IMO Isle of Man
SUX.  Way to much environmentasl BS.  If ya want that, try Breathe. *GRIN*
Breathe, breathe you fuck up.  NIN is industrial, they are just popular enuff
to piss of "industrial fans"  Thats is crap, and it happens alot.  The new
Ministry you speak of is the 666 Shooters.  Supposedly Jougenson's Johnny
Cash tribute.  Noone has really heard anything substantial about it.  One thing
is 4 sure, it will basically be RevCo, that is all Al seems to be able to get
along with ;).  If ya don't think the newer Ministry is all that industrial,
try getting one of the live albums from the recent tour.  It shows better that
industrial edge that Ministry maintains.

response 36 of 43:

Jun 7 07:22 UTC 1994

Sorry, "classic industrial", embodied and created by Throbbing Gristle, is try
the art of noise.  It is largly acoustic, using things like crashing metal,
electricity, and other odd sounds to form a delightful caucophony.  The early
stuff is very hard to access, due to its nature.  This period tried hard to
remove the human part of the music creation, trying to simulate the noise of
nature.  The later types of industrial were and are very much electronic. They
are harder to classify, because they are spread out furthur.  This is most
likely what you hear when you hear "industrial" music.  The earlier types are
now generally classified as noise.  For more information, try the F.A.Q. in
R.M.I. (rec.music.industrial).

response 38 of 43:

Jun 10 07:05 UTC 1994

Part of the reason, Ken, is that people are under a misconception of the 
original meaning of the term industrial. It was *not* originally meant to refer
to the panoply of sounds/noises it incorporated, however much they may
have sounded like the industrial din of modern factories etc. Rather,
Throbbing Gristle's Genesis P-Orridge defined his music as "industrial
music for industrial people," that is, hard-working and hard-on-the-ears
music for hard-working people who were fed up of banal three-minute
pop ditties as well as the older, more classical music forms and were looking
for a new sonic format in which to express the grittiness of their
everyday lives.
  
Originally (and still) very inaccessible, "industrial" music soon acquired
many of the stylistic trappings it had sought to escape from (shorter
song lengths, steady 4/4 beats, etc.) until the only real elements that
remained were the loudness of the music and the incorporation of seemingly
random found sounds/samples within the songs. Trent Reznor is the first to
admit that melody as we traditionally think of it is important to him- the
original industrialists were having none of that. Thus, although the term
"industrial" in a catchy and convenient phrase to attach to the likes of NIN,
their is really no continuity of philosophy between the industrial music of
today and the old industrial music, excepting a few groups like Current 93 and 
Einsteurzende Neubaten.

response 40 of 43:

Jun 23 14:52 UTC 1994

i have to admit it.  after listening to my phreinds 242 collection,
there are some VERY industrial sounding songs on there......
as far as ministry going metal, that is far from the truth...they have
gotten more "guitarish", and have definatly changed, but theives will
always be my favorite song from them (actually, change is good for them...
imagine being stuck with Effigy (i'm not).  
Check out the industrial revolution cd's released on Cleo....they are among
the best complilations i have ever seen (and on  of the only).  
Codeine, Glue, and You from Chemlab is no one of my favorite somgs...
it is just incredable....very different form typical industrial....

response 42 of 43:

Aug 28 19:27 UTC 1994

Well, i guess i'll have to settle for this, no?
-head like a hole-
I was looking for a NiN conf, found this, thought...
-black as your soul-
"this could be cool." SO i join it, and wtf?!
-i'd rather die-
people are talking about a cyberpunk band.
-then give you control-
Now don't get me wrong, F242 is my second favorite music,
-bow down before the one you serve-
next to NiN, (Daniel B. rules, alongside trent)
-you're going to get what you deserve-
But where is the serious head-first hard-core discussion
-well you've got me workin' so hard lately-
that NiN demands?
-workin' my hands until they bleed-

sheesh.
-a promise carved-
-tonight we sin-
-a violet fluid-
-under the skin-