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Grex > Coop8 > #22: Should Grex join the Electronic Frontier Foundation | |
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mta
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response 25 of 43:
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Feb 14 23:45 UTC 1996 |
I agree. I'd even donate $15 toward the more expensive membership that
doesn't require that we bring in new memberships...
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srw
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response 26 of 43:
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Feb 16 05:50 UTC 1996 |
I agree that the EFF is lobbying against legislation here, but my point is
that that alone doesn't prevent them from being a 501(c)(3). Our membership
in the EFF wouldn't either. Rane explained it.
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adbarr
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response 27 of 43:
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Feb 16 12:41 UTC 1996 |
Yeah. But you have to know what you are doing here. This is hardball as far
as the IRS is concerned.
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aaron
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response 28 of 43:
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Feb 18 21:56 UTC 1996 |
One of the things that offends me about the EFF is that they have been
consistently late or absent in the defense of freedom on the internet.
Their usual excuse is either "We weren't asked for help," or "That's
not our concern." When they do involve themselves, it typically seems
to be a fund-raising gambit, rather than a serious effort to advance
"freedoms." They had ample notice of the Telecommunications Act, and
as a lobbying group they certainly were in place to lobby against that
Act. Yet they did nothing until it was passed, and now they want to
coast along on the ACLU's coattails. Give your money to the ACLU.
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adbarr
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response 29 of 43:
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Feb 19 01:22 UTC 1996 |
Agree on funding ACLU.
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rcurl
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response 30 of 43:
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Feb 19 06:04 UTC 1996 |
For Basic membership, send $20 to: ACLU of Michigan, 1249 Washington
Blvd., Ste. 2910, Detroit, MI 48226. Support the most effective
organization in the country for the defense of individual constitutional
liberties!
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remmers
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response 31 of 43:
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Feb 19 10:51 UTC 1996 |
I'm a former ACLU member who let his membership lapse (shame on me,
though I did get a bit irritated at all the mail reminders they
kept sending me) but definitely intend to renew now. But in addition
to a basic membership in the Michigan chapter, I'd like to make a
more substantial contribution to the national organization. What
would the address for that be?
I wasn't aware of the EFF's pre-passage inactivity on the CDA, but
they're certainly vocal about it now, so I plan to contribute to
them too.
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steve
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response 32 of 43:
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Feb 19 19:14 UTC 1996 |
None of the liberties groups are perfect. They've all fallen down
upon occaisons, and have had bad periods of time in their histories.
That doesn't suggest to me that the EFF isn't worth supporting--just
that they might need an extra kick now and then. But, haven't they
all?
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ajax
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response 33 of 43:
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Feb 19 20:11 UTC 1996 |
The EFF is a relatively young organization, and they're definitely
feeling out what their goals should be. I think they're undergoing
some internal strife as to whether they should continue with their
more original mission of providing legal assistance and defense, or
move into political lobbying on issues such as the CDA.
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danr
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response 34 of 43:
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Feb 20 16:43 UTC 1996 |
The contact info for the national organization is:
American Civil Liberties Union
132 West 43rd Street
New York, NY 10036
Phone: (212) 944-9800
Fax: (212) 944-9065
Email: aclu@aclu.org
They have a nicely-done web page at http://www.aclu.org.
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adbarr
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response 35 of 43:
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Feb 20 23:58 UTC 1996 |
#33 is worth re-reading.
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janc
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response 36 of 43:
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Feb 21 20:38 UTC 1996 |
Is there a way you can convince them to send just one mailing a year?
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ajax
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response 37 of 43:
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Feb 21 21:59 UTC 1996 |
You can convince them to send 0 mailings a year by sending the
donation anonymously, asking them to not to record the name off
the check. Of course, some of the mailings are interesting, but
they can be overshadowed by the quantity of funding requests.
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aaron
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response 38 of 43:
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Feb 24 04:05 UTC 1996 |
re #33: EFF was not organized as a civil liberties group.
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adbarr
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response 39 of 43:
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Feb 24 20:16 UTC 1996 |
And . . .?
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aaron
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response 40 of 43:
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Feb 25 03:24 UTC 1996 |
A very cogent response, Arnold. One of your best. Consult #33, and all
will make sense.
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adbarr
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response 41 of 43:
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Mar 1 22:59 UTC 1996 |
"ignore"
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mikep
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response 42 of 43:
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Mar 4 02:11 UTC 1996 |
I think M-net/Grex were part of the formation of the Electronic
Frontier, pioneers in the truest sense of the word. Seems like
it would be a good fit for Grex.
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steve
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response 43 of 43:
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Mar 4 15:29 UTC 1996 |
Good point.
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