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Grex > Coop8 > #118: Should Grex preserve M-net's conferencing? | |
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orinoco
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response 25 of 34:
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Oct 2 22:17 UTC 1996 |
Yes, but summarizing is the middle ground between those conversations dying
and the situation birdlady mentions. And people wouldn't be forced to
summarize old m-net items here. I have never visited m-net, but I would be
willing to hazard a guess that most of the really active items over there have
items on similar topics here on grex. <defers to someone who knows what
they're talking about for judgement on this one>
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steve
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response 26 of 34:
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Oct 2 22:41 UTC 1996 |
Thats ture, at least in part. the flavour may be different, but many
similar items do exist.
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ajax
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response 27 of 34:
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Oct 3 03:25 UTC 1996 |
Indeed, many of the most popular item topics are either copied
between systems, or are entered simultaneously. Current events items
often pop up on both systems at the same time, while successful item
ideas are borrowed between systems, like "happy happy joy joy" from
M-Net, or "look who's on" from (I think) Grex. Even a lot of the
same policy issues are discussed, sometimes with different results,
sometimes with the same results.
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kerouac
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response 28 of 34:
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Oct 3 16:31 UTC 1996 |
but the idea is not that these confs should everbe a permanenent
part of grex, butthat they could be transplanted here temporarily
until a new home is found. Mnet can live again much more realistically
if its confs have never died.
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e4808mc
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response 29 of 34:
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Oct 4 02:57 UTC 1996 |
Does grex have enough excess capacity to provide a mini-Mnet for their users
and conferences? I seem to read a lot of comments already about slowness,
and hard to get on, etc just from our current users and equipment.
If we have a lot of resources to share, then providing life-support (even
temporarily) seems like a nice thing to do for them. IF not, it appears we
will experience an influx of Mnet users if it dies, and they will want to
start conferences that we don't already provide, like any new user might.
But do we need to *offer* to overload this system?
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mdw
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response 30 of 34:
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Oct 4 04:32 UTC 1996 |
Filespace is not a problem.
Network bandwidth & CPU load are more interesting problems, but I am not
sure there is a real difference between "no m-net" and "m-net in exile"
here. The only real win would be an "m-net in a box" in somebody's
basement approach.
Technically, there shouldn't be any major problems. The current version
of PicoSpan (on the sun-4) actually knows about yapp sum files.
'Course, it was an old version of yapp, so there could be other chances
since. Unless there are any major new feature/file differences, though,
chances are converting file formats would be trivial. The most serious
problem would seem to be that UIDs & loginids are different between the
two systems. This could cause interesting problems.
The most serious problem, though, would seem to be a difference of
culture. There are a lot of things about the way m-net is run that are
just different than here. Such distinctions as patron vs. members,
MIGs, the conference committee, and so forth, just don't exist here.
Then there are other aspects of m-net, such as the mail domain, the
people who use party, & so forth, that are valuable to m-net's users,
that could not in any fairness be ported over here. Even explaining to
m-net's former users that pop doesn't exist here is likely to be
somewhat painful.
I very much hope that m-net can sort out its problems. I believe that
is very much the best answer. I can't believe that the problems are
*so* serious that m-net can't sort them out, or for that matter, that if
they can't be sorted out, that there is any really viable long-term
future for m-net.
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janc
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response 31 of 34:
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Oct 4 17:23 UTC 1996 |
(I believe that in newer versions of Yapp, the sum file differences (in
byte ordering and such) have pretty much disappeared. I think the major
remaining differences are ulists for open conferences (to speed up
"participants") and ,P lines in item files (for "responding to #16")
kinds of pointers. I guess I'll find out for sure once I test Backtalk
against yapp. But none of this would be a big problem.)
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arthurp
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response 32 of 34:
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Oct 7 00:48 UTC 1996 |
I just blew by the rest of this item because the first thing up was another
inane requirement mandated by Kerouac. I don't feel like it anymore! I hope
nothing important or constructive was obscured in here. :(
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ladyevil
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response 33 of 34:
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Oct 7 21:22 UTC 1996 |
Not much, Chuck.. don't worry about it.
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albaugh
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response 34 of 34:
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Oct 17 04:35 UTC 1996 |
I know this ain't a voting item, but I agree with the posts that say Grex
ain't mnet, Grex don't need to support a virtual mnet. People should come
to Grex 'cause they wanna Grex, not do the mnet-rena...
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