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rcurl
response 25 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 22:11 UTC 1995

In making my list of suggestions, my favorite was #3 too, but I threw in
the others so everyone would have things with which to disagree. I think
it would be easily implemented if everyone used a shell that supported
menu or lynx - but I know they don't. The simplest general implementation
would be to bring up, after the list, a prompt that expects a numerical
input, and sends the user to that item. However, couldn't we try a
lynx/menu "motd" menu for all those that do use the right shells, and the
standard motd for everyone else? I mean, as an experiment? 

scg
response 26 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 22:35 UTC 1995

I'd support keeping it fairly short, and not making people do any extra
work to see the text.  If we wanted somewhere for people to post less
important information that people could see with a menu program, that
could be something else that people could run if they wanted to.
steve
response 27 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 23:07 UTC 1995

   The other thing we have to remember about the motd is that an
ever increasing number of people from out of the Ann Arbor area
are reading it.  What used to be a primarily Ann Arbor-centric
conferencing system is now something more regional/international
than I would have expected.  So we get to think of the things
in the motd in a way we never had to, before.
danr
response 28 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 23:40 UTC 1995

Do we really have to think like this?  I would hope that we don't
lose our Ann Arbor-centricity.  It's something that gives us our
character.  I welcome our world-wide users, but I don't want us to
lose our localness either.
steve
response 29 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 29 01:01 UTC 1995

   I don't want to lose it either--but the motd is the "front door"
that people walk through 2000 time a day now.  And most of those
2000 aren't from this area.   Since the motd is the only common
thing that all Grex users see, and since 70% aren't from the ann arbor
area any more, all I'm saying is that we should think a little more
about what goes at the top of that front door.
   I don't think Grex need lose its local flavor just because the
motd is changed.
andyv
response 30 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 29 03:41 UTC 1995

I don't mind being part of a system which has a strong local community
with a few local notes now and again.  I just might become part of A2
one of these days.  It is comforting to know there are real things 
happening with real people in real places (food, walks, sales, computer
rehab, etc. :)
ajax
response 31 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 29 04:53 UTC 1995

One way to deal with non-local users seeing local motd info would be
to automatically skip it if they have a "non-local" flag set in some
way...or if they telnet from somewhere not known to be local.  But those
are both too much work...I say let 'em read the local motd's, unless
they raise a fuss about it!  I've logged into far-away systems that
had local motd-ish news, and was vaguely interested or neutral to it.
sidhe
response 32 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 04:12 UTC 1995

        hey, I'm not exactly states away from A2, but from my
perspective, it gives me the chance to know what's up where my favorite
place/non-place is! Keep the local stuff!

steve
response 33 of 42: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 22:37 UTC 1995

   Glad to hear some interest in keeping it around.  As long as
we don't overdo the local stuff, I think we'll be OK.  At the
SF convention I was at this last weekend, there was a comptuer
room with an Internet connection.  Some peple were looking over
my shoulder as I was getting into Grex to show it off a little.
Someone there mentioned that they thought it was neat that a
non-techie thing like a walk and booksale could make in into
the motd.
tsty
response 34 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 16:02 UTC 1995

I have always liked the +short+ oneliners in motd (except for when
there is something BIG to announce.
  
I prefer #2, actaully, so that, for one thing, AACS meetings can
get a bit of promo (just a single line) or for a theater prsentation
which involves a Grexian (just one line).
  
I, myself, have been castigated by both steve and popcorn for
NOT announceing sooner (motd would have been a superior location)
about the AACS meetings, even though they are on the mailing 
list too.
  
Oh, btw  AACS meeting is tonight, WEd, 1 Feb, at 1200 EECS and
the "megavegamatic of the INternet" is the topic (World Wide Web).
 
see you there (this is the first of 3 successive Internet
presentations).
ajax
response 35 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 20:31 UTC 1995

You left out the time of the AACS meeting...anyone know?
popcorn
response 36 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 07:53 UTC 1995

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aruba
response 37 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 03:20 UTC 1995

(The meeting was at 7:30.  It was good!)
I must say I agree wholeheartedly with #28.  The local Ann Arbor aspects of
Grex are important to me, and they add a lot to Grex's character.  I
imagine that to someone who isn't in Ann Arbor, a walk announcement may
not be "useful information", but I hope it can still impart a feeling of
hominess and community.  That's what *I* log into Grex for, ultimately.
pphilipp
response 38 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 17:38 UTC 1995

Regarding the local character of the motd, (and of grex in general) it
seems to me that there are plenty of larger (and easily/cheaply accessed)
bbs's that serve a broad non-local public out there.  I even have accounts
on a couple of them.  I keep my account on grex, however, partly because
of its local flavor.  Grex need not be competition with these other sys-
tems.  There's room for all sorts of bbs's out there and the fact that
lots of non-local people use grex despite (or in virtue of?) its A2-
centrism looks like evidence that grex (as it is) is filling a desirable
(oops) I think it would be a shame to jeopordize grex's appeal by making
it more like so many other systems out there.  We can *be* cosmopolitan
(in that people from all over read/subscribe to grex) without overtly
*seeming* cosmopolitan.  Well, that's my two cents - I hope it didn't
seem too pedantic; I didn't mean it be.
aruba
response 39 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 21:44 UTC 1995

Seemed perfect to me!
lilmo
response 40 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 6 01:52 UTC 1995

I am non-local, and I agree with #'s 26,27,30,33 and 38, sort of.  :-)

As long as the announcements are short, a local cast is not a problem.
nephi
response 41 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 6 08:38 UTC 1995

I like the MOTD just the way it is--with the added caveat that the really
important stuff be put at the bottom (i.e. the place where the most people
are likely to see it).
jshafer
response 42 of 42: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 16:16 UTC 1995

The main reason I stuck around here at all is because of the local
character and sense of community.  I see no problem at all with the
local announcements, as long as they don't get out of hand.  (One
local BBS I used to call had at least 10 screens of stuff to go
through before you could get to a menu...  That would not be good.)


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