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Grex > Coop6 > #35: Mail: the final resource hog | |
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steve
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response 25 of 43:
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Nov 17 03:56 UTC 1994 |
Aye, I'd like to try that and see what happens. Also, we should make
a command like "resources" which gently talks about the problems we have
with resources, and (somehow) publicize it.
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tsty
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response 26 of 43:
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Nov 17 11:21 UTC 1994 |
And the above is why I have resisted setting up (or asking to
be set up) majordomo here - even as much as I would like to.
The load on Grex would be attrocious and I don't have root
to do the necessary work (and it +is+ work).
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selena
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response 27 of 43:
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Nov 19 05:38 UTC 1994 |
I realize that this just adds to your spool problem, in the short run,
but have you considered e-mailing a notice to everyone? no one could say that
you didn't inform them, and the response would probably be better than if
you relied on the newuser thing alone..
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steve
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response 28 of 43:
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Nov 19 05:47 UTC 1994 |
The problem with emailing people who have huge piles of email
is that our messages tend to get lost in said pile. I've found
that finding them online and talking them works best.
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kentn
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response 29 of 43:
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Nov 19 05:53 UTC 1994 |
You could always do a 'wall' at random well-spaced intervals...
"HEY YOU! Clean out your mailbox NOW!" :)
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steve
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response 30 of 43:
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Nov 19 08:36 UTC 1994 |
But thats not specific enough. ;-)
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jep
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response 31 of 43:
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Nov 20 22:26 UTC 1994 |
The mail filesystem is full right now.
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srw
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response 32 of 43:
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Nov 21 02:18 UTC 1994 |
THat was the effect of a single user, and has been resolved.
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tsty
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response 33 of 43:
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Nov 21 15:30 UTC 1994 |
that was fast ........ whoshhhhhhhhh! cool.
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jshafer
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response 34 of 43:
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Nov 24 03:20 UTC 1994 |
Yes, but has the user been "resolved" yet? ;->
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mdw
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response 35 of 43:
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Nov 25 09:44 UTC 1994 |
sendmail has some sort of 'mailstats' thing, but I have no idea what,
exactly, is counted or if it would be useful...
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srw
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response 36 of 43:
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Nov 26 19:19 UTC 1994 |
We are now running with sendmail instead of smail.
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bartlett
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response 37 of 43:
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Dec 15 03:43 UTC 1994 |
1. In October and November I was a fairly frequent if unintentional
abuser of the mail file system. As Valerie, who received a couple of
frustrated and sad messages from me can attest, this was due to my not
having regular access to a computer, let alone my Grex account. This
non-access was unexpected and lasted a month longer than it should have.
I'm all better now, and in fact send all my Email to m-net anyway, which
uses some (not much, I've changed the high-volume stuff) Internet
bandwidth but no file space. Again, I'm sorry for my part in the debacles
of November.
2. What is the status of monitoring mail usage to determine something
reasonable as a guideline?
3. I wish to start a small-volume mailing list dedicated to the play of a
game of Nomic here on Grex, with some off-site players and some Grexers.
(If you don't know what Nomic is, see item #107 in the Games conference.)
I would initially expect between 5 and 10 users of this list. I hadn't
actually figured out how to do this yet, but the forward file thing sounds
like a very nice and efficient mechanism. Now the question: can Grex
afford to let me do this? f in the consensus judgment it can't, I'll
solve the problem another way. Suggestions would be helpful.
Chris
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steve
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response 38 of 43:
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Dec 15 05:30 UTC 1994 |
From the monitoring I've done and trying to attach numbers to things,
mail is big user now. Adding up the numbers for incomming/outgoing mail
over a couple of days, it came out to about 52M per day going across
the link. Don't use that number as a hard-anf-fast guideline yet, as
we need to do this again over a longer time to see the peaks and valleys.
If a mailing list is mostly grex people, then its really pretty easy
to say OK to that, as we're talking about sendmail shoving stuff around
on Grex and thats pretty fast. The "gotcha" comes in with outside people
on a mailing list. If you are talking about 10 people, and only a few
(say less than 1 dozen) messages going over it each day, we can live with
it. ...But is 38 other people come in with that same level of expected usage
for their 10 person mailing lists, we'll have a problem.
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mju
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response 39 of 43:
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Dec 21 05:26 UTC 1994 |
It's possible to configure sendmail such that mail is delivered to
users' home directories, instead of to a central mail spool. This
could help ease the problems with disk usage and related accounting,
since all the mail will be on the /home filesystem, and space used
for mail will fall under the user's regular disk quota. There would
be little difference between leaving mail in the spool directory
and moving it into a private mail folder, since they'd both be under
your home directory.
This would require rebuilding all the mail clients and the local mail
delivery program, though, so it probably shouldn't be done lightly.
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mdw
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response 40 of 43:
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Dec 21 08:19 UTC 1994 |
Sendmail doesn't know where mail is delivered - it would be entirely up
to the mail clients & local delivery agent.
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andyv
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response 41 of 43:
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Dec 24 08:19 UTC 1994 |
Why are so many people using grex just for mail when there are lots of
other places around to keep mail who are much better funded. I really
don't need to get my mail here. It is just convenient. When grex was
having problems, I just moved to a more reliable Freenet (one which deletes
mail older than 60 days by the way and very authoritarian).
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steve
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response 42 of 43:
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Dec 24 16:43 UTC 1994 |
Maybe you just answered your question with the facts presented in
your last sentence.
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rcurl
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response 43 of 43:
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Dec 24 19:43 UTC 1994 |
And, the address is great!
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