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Grex > Coop6 > #103: Discussion on the party program and its clientele | |
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carson
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response 25 of 47:
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Feb 14 04:40 UTC 1995 |
my only problem was that I was trying to twit far too many people, such
that the line got REALLY long and truncated and probably some other
nasty things. If you're a more tolerant sort and only feel the need to
twit one or two people, the method described in the info conferencce
works WONDERS! (I know! I tried it!)
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ajax
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response 26 of 47:
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Feb 14 06:43 UTC 1995 |
Too bad there's no nottwit program...it might be shorter for you ;).
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mdw
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response 27 of 47:
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Feb 14 07:50 UTC 1995 |
Actually, the frequency of people who read files into party is
definitely dropping - I think that's one of those fad kind of things
that will pretty much go away on its own. There are a very few things
that could be done for "junk lines" in the program that would help in
making party a friendlier place:
delete all blank or empty lines
don't expand out chars >=0x80, just delete them.
don't allow more than 10 tabs per line.
(delete excess tabs past this point)
The blank lines are actually something people do fairly often, as a
result of not knowing about ^D to cancel a line that was accidently
started. The other two basically only apply to lines that would not
normally be entered on purpose.
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rcurl
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response 28 of 47:
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Feb 14 16:18 UTC 1995 |
I think I would favor a brief statement in the motd to suggest that party
is a place to have fun, but with respect for other partiers. Even if it
did not have much effect on some individuals, it would at least state Grex's
philosophy. Something along the line of "Party is to Enjoy, with Mutual
Respect".
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sidhe
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response 29 of 47:
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Feb 15 16:27 UTC 1995 |
Carson, your discovered problem with twit is disturbing me..
What, exactly, is the problem with it, as it is the only tool left to
me for sympathy!
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remmers
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response 30 of 47:
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Feb 15 20:00 UTC 1995 |
I think carson was saying that the filter chokes when you try to filter
out a large number of people.
A different program would be used to filter out people in a conference
than the program used for party, so there shouldn't be a problem.
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carson
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response 31 of 47:
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Feb 15 22:18 UTC 1995 |
sidhe, the party filter and the conference filter are two different
things! My party filter choked; my conference filter is working WONDERS,
even though it slows me down a bit more.
I don't believe the conference filter will have the same problem as
the party filter. The party filter has to look for responses and
noises, whereas the conference filter only has to look for names;
you can squeeze more into the filter if it only has to look for
one thing instead of two.
I hope that was clear. I'm recovering from the flu and not thinking
(or composing) all that clearly at the moment.
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steve
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response 32 of 47:
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Feb 15 23:49 UTC 1995 |
I hope *very* much that the twit filter won't need much excercise
in the sympathy conference.
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carson
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response 33 of 47:
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Feb 16 03:51 UTC 1995 |
agreed.
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sidhe
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response 34 of 47:
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Feb 16 16:47 UTC 1995 |
And in a perfect world, no one bombs the World Trade Center.
As with that, I *hope* it doesn't get much use, but I can't count on it.
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lilmo
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response 35 of 47:
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Feb 21 03:54 UTC 1995 |
Back to the discussion of party that started this item....
Re #6: That was only a suggestion, since the primary concern appeared
to be newusers being turned off by a rough party session, and ppl being
rude in party. My tho't on "discurteous"users discovering that they are
not welcome was just that if users checked out conferencing first, and
found rudeness not tolerated, they might decide that it isn't worth the
wait to get on party and exercise thier "craft" on Grex.
In light of subsequent discussion, I withdraw my suggestion to limit
access to party in the manner I suggested, and hereby endorse the
"three msg's" idea: the motd, news, and first-time announcement.
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scg
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response 36 of 47:
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Feb 21 04:34 UTC 1995 |
Up until the last few days, I've had very few negative party
experiences. I'm sad to say that that seems to have changed. The last
several times I've been in party I've had to put up not only with people
being rude, but also with people trying to get other people do things that
would screw up their accounts. Even more common than that seems to be a
few users threatening clueless newbies with deletion of their accounts, or
deletion of files in their directories. I've spent too much time to count
recently explaining to people that certain people don't have the ability
to delete their files, no matter what they say. It's really becomming a
very hostile situation for people to wander into.
Still, I wouldn't advocate putting in a warning about the content
of party. I'm not sure what to do about this situation, short of either
reforming a few chronic miscreants (much easier said than done), or
spending my entire life in party countering the claims of said miscreants
(no thanks), but I think putting in a disclaimer saying that people should
expect to find idiots in party would make it a lot harder to discourage
that type of behavior. Right now, it has worked on several people that
that sort of behavior is not appropriate on Grex, and that they need to
treat other users with respect. It would be a lot harder to explin that
"that's not acceptable here, but we expect it to be done anyway.
It seems to me that the best system is a combination of peer
pressure and and education. For all the irresponsable people in party
generally, there are often even more responsable people. If people
respond negatively to what people think they're doing to be "cool", it
could help a lot.
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carson
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response 37 of 47:
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Feb 21 04:47 UTC 1995 |
I party less because I've gotten sick of nursemaiding. In general, it's
really seeming to be that the newer the user, the less of a clue the
user has as far as what's appropriate/civil. I recognize the shift as
a sign of a change in the type of people who are finding access to
both the Internet and to Grex, so I don't see it as something that I
would want to invest the sort of time it would take to change.
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sidhe
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response 38 of 47:
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Feb 21 05:45 UTC 1995 |
Nursemaiding is an interesting term.. I daresay that I had to be be
taught many things when I first got here.. and I'm unsure that I'd feel
right not including myself with the "newbies" sometimes..
I'm still quite capable of getting lost in unixland, with no
guidance to steer me back to familiar turf. Is this "nursemaiding", then,
carson? If so, am I to expect to get turned away by you if I have a
problem?
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scg
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response 39 of 47:
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Feb 21 06:00 UTC 1995 |
There's a difference between getting lost in Unix and having absolutely no
clue that it's not appropriate to threaten people in party. It's the
latter instance that would be more indicative of imature people, the type
of people that often have nursemaids. I'm not going to speak for carson,
but it seems likely that he was referring to dealiing with people behaving
inappropriately.
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carson
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response 40 of 47:
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Feb 21 06:17 UTC 1995 |
actually, I was. As it turns out, I tend to frequent party in the wee hours,
when some of our more interesting newusers come in, and I've often helped
out a lost soul.
So, when I said, "nursemaiding", I actually meant "babysitting". I hope
that's clearer.
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carson
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response 41 of 47:
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Feb 21 07:14 UTC 1995 |
I guess as a response to #36: I still think of cyberspace as a frontier, and
that means that sometimes people need to take the law into their own hands.
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sidhe
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response 42 of 47:
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Feb 21 15:33 UTC 1995 |
Thank you for the clarifications. I'd hate to think that the
nuts on party were causing a general turning-away from helping those
of us who still, on occasion, have no idea what they are doing.
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lilmo
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response 43 of 47:
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Feb 22 06:24 UTC 1995 |
That would be unfortunate.
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nephi
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response 44 of 47:
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Feb 28 08:42 UTC 1995 |
Soooooo, whatever happened to that 3 m's idea? I think that it's an
*excellent* idea.
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popcorn
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response 45 of 47:
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Feb 28 17:42 UTC 1995 |
It's waiting for me to sit down and do something about it -- I haven't
forgotten, am just slow.
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nephi
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response 46 of 47:
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Mar 2 07:03 UTC 1995 |
If you would like any help with it, I'd love to help to the best of my
ability.
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popcorn
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response 47 of 47:
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Mar 2 18:19 UTC 1995 |
Thanks!
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