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Grex > Coop > #269: Opening up the staff conference? | |
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veek
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response 25 of 49:
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Feb 26 07:40 UTC 2010 |
yeah, though in this case, one could insist that 'staff' use the
facility provided to the best of the their ability. it's not entirely
an unreasonable request.
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nharmon
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response 26 of 49:
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Feb 26 13:46 UTC 2010 |
I guess my question is...what is the purpose of the staff cf?
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veek
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response 27 of 49:
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Feb 26 14:07 UTC 2010 |
1. to list activities done. accountability Sir! Board posts a task-
list. End of the year, ppl can decide which staffer was most effective!
2. better co-ordination! no more spooked did this or munged that. each
staffer has a task list - public can decide (somewhat) who is
interfering where. people know who is working on what and what changes
are being done. website updates can be correlated to actual updates on
the web-site. people can check access times on the file system (for non
root activities and check against sudo logs)
3. no more, remmers never replied to mail! if something is posted in
staff, said staffers MUST read the conf! It's the official method of
communication so we all know who the shady scumbag is :p
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seriously *scowl* this is all very obvious *rolls his eyes*
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nharmon
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response 28 of 49:
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Feb 26 15:14 UTC 2010 |
So, it would be like the garage cf?
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tsty
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response 29 of 49:
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Feb 26 22:54 UTC 2010 |
coop is oepn to all. this is where evnryone can comment, including board/staff
some thoghts/comments .. even in 'your' life (whomever 'you' might be) ... are
reserved, not-for-pulbic-consumption.
thus, staff.cf .. as is.
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veek
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response 30 of 49:
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Feb 27 01:30 UTC 2010 |
resp 28: *sigh* not really. This is staff-staff stuff that we get to
read. It saves time in the sense that.. staffer X makes one post to
notify staffer Y about something he's working on BUT the general public
is in on it. Under the current system, X would have to specifically
replicate his posts on coop/garage.
If everyone wants to make Garage/Coop the new official channel for
communication between staff members, I'm okay with that. staff.cf I
assume will not be used and can be removed?
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tonster
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response 31 of 49:
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Feb 27 01:54 UTC 2010 |
why not just link the item and be done with it? I still think there is
a place for private conversations amongst staff, but I think what needs
to change is the secrecy regarding EVERYTHING that they do. Everything
that happens on the system does not need to be discussed only in staff,
most stuff should be public.
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veek
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response 32 of 49:
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Feb 27 07:07 UTC 2010 |
Resp 31: you can do that via the web-interface? in principle, i'm okay
with linking so long as it gets done - my thinking is, it won't be done
because it takes extra effort. to be quite honest.. i don't really care
if 'staff' is super sekret and yeah it would be nice if staff could
type root password is 'qweerty' in #staff. sekret staff does have it's
points.
my main crib is transparency and work not getting done (mysql, email,
traceroute/ping, new cool thingies). If the board makes a rule that
henceforth #staff will remain sekret and only contain info that needs
to be MOST sekret, and if they can implement that rule correctly, I'm
okay with that!
Now if there were 20K users *sigh* i'd not be wasting my time with the
finer points of the law <g> and if someone mentioned "#staff is
sekret!" I'd probably go: "What!" Unfortunately, because we had to pull
mail and because i cannot boast about how cool Grex is urmm.. therefore
I'm trying to umm.. oil the wheels (so to speak) :p
Which in all honesty, is what I think everyone here is trying to do! If
we were too busy in #General, would we be even bothering about the
goings on in #staff and #coop??? Mind you, I don't hold staff entirely
responsible for the current state of affairs!! As someone pointed out
elsewhere.. things are happening too slowly on Grex.. umm it's like a
drip or a leak somewhere and you're hunting around with a torch.. I'm
eliminating sources of problems.. and a sekret staff looks to be one
source.
Right now, if I say: "I want xyz. I'm willing to do." And the idea is
somewhat doable - based on data gathered from #coop #staff AND THEN it
doesn't get done.. it's so much easier to form an opinion without
having to factor in a mysterious '#staff' and it's goings on.. So
really, the trigger here is the slow, non-existent pace of works.
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once things like mail/mysql/quick access/traceroute are done, AND then
if we still have few users (fewer than SDF).. one can identify where
the src of the problem is (more advertisement, lousy convo on the BBS,
more games) You could even ask for feedback and get some kind of a
sensible reply.. right now, most ppl will just mutter "no mail" or some
such vague thing.
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tsty
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response 33 of 49:
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Feb 27 07:56 UTC 2010 |
staff.cf ramining private eliminstes 'chaff' populaitng an otherwise
serious discussion. drift -intentially impellemmnted by some few - is gone.
staff.cf stays restricted.
chaff populates other .cfs .. as all of you knowe ...
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veek
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response 34 of 49:
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Feb 27 09:35 UTC 2010 |
i didn't say that the general public could post to staff; just that
they have read access to it.
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tsty
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response 35 of 49:
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Feb 27 16:49 UTC 2010 |
that would onmly be bait for the chaffers.
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cross
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response 36 of 49:
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Mar 2 04:13 UTC 2010 |
resp:33 That's NOT your decision to make. You don't get to unilaterally
say, "staff.cf stays restricted." You get to have an opinion like everyone
else.
Let's be honest: staff has been a social club prior to. Show me a single
example of this "chaffing" you are referring to in, e.g., garage and I'll give
your opinion its due merit. But the discussons in staff are hardly serious,
if they happen at all. If anything, opening it up would provide more folks
the opportunity to see waht's going on and provide helpful suggestions, since
almost no one posts to staff.
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tsty
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response 37 of 49:
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Mar 2 07:15 UTC 2010 |
uhhh, i thoght i ws makieng an opinon statement ... easy there pard.
i know you know decisionas are a grop effort (panics exdcepted).
as for garage, not in tehre much ... however coop and agora are reasonble
chaff exhimbts in certan, not all, items.
of course if yo eally wanna see chaff ... try teh b0x across the street.
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tonster
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response 38 of 49:
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Mar 2 13:20 UTC 2010 |
it came off to me as a final decision you'd made as well. it didn't
sound like an opinion.
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tsty
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response 39 of 49:
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Mar 3 04:44 UTC 2010 |
well, it was a final decision that -i- made for -me-, certainly not for hte
system.
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scholar
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response 40 of 49:
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Mar 3 06:09 UTC 2010 |
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remmers
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response 41 of 49:
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Mar 7 16:39 UTC 2010 |
The term "staff conference" is perhaps something of a misnomer,
since board members also have access.
Regarding opening it up: There was a policy passed by member vote
a few years ago that bears on this. It's currently offline due to
the recent disk disaster, so I can't look it up, but I think the
gist of it was that all conferences on Grex shall be open, with an
explicit exception made for the staff conference. If so, opening
the conference would involve undoing something adopted by a vote
of the members.
You know, if it were up to me, I'd abandon the staff conference
entirely, as it's kind of a hodgepodge of stuff that serves a
variety of purposes that I think are better served in separate
venues. Staff discussions of matters that should be private,
like security, should go on a mailing list. Policy discussions
should be open and take place in Coop. Discussions of hardware
and software (e.g. what OS to run) should be open and happen in
Garage. How-to's (like, how to do backups, or how to check
changes into a version control system) should be in medium that
supports editing and looking stuff up, like a wiki, that's
editable by staff members and readable by all.
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kentn
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response 42 of 49:
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Mar 7 17:37 UTC 2010 |
Actually, I'm a board member and don't have access, so I don't
think all board members do.
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kentn
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response 43 of 49:
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Mar 7 17:45 UTC 2010 |
Ok: j staff
Cannot join conference staff.
Conference 'staff' not accessible
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jgelinas
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response 44 of 49:
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Mar 7 20:10 UTC 2010 |
One of the fair witnesses needs to update the user list for the staff
conference. Some day, I may be able to get back onto grex in a way that
will let me update the user list. I hope.
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kentn
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response 45 of 49:
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Mar 7 21:03 UTC 2010 |
Okay, thanks, Joe.
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cross
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response 46 of 49:
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Mar 8 03:05 UTC 2010 |
Whoops. What is the current list of board members? I'll make sure everyone
has the appropriate access.
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denise
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response 47 of 49:
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Mar 8 14:18 UTC 2010 |
The board includes:
-cross
-kentn
-gelinas
-steve
-unicorn
-tsty
-denise
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mdw
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response 48 of 49:
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Mar 11 21:40 UTC 2010 |
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mdw
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response 49 of 49:
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Mar 11 21:47 UTC 2010 |
(ignore that -- a typing habit didn't do the expected.)
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