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Grex > Agora41 > #98: Raise your hand if you think smoked salmon is funky (and not in that cool, Parliament kinda way) | |
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jaklumen
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response 25 of 45:
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May 10 13:37 UTC 2002 |
hmmmm.. what about Copper River on a cedar plank?
cedar plank is a good way to cook salmon..
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other
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response 26 of 45:
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May 10 16:36 UTC 2002 |
Salmon is difficult for restaurants to cook properly???!
(Of course, the last time I had salmon in a restaurant, it was raw...)
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jazz
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response 27 of 45:
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May 10 17:36 UTC 2002 |
Too many lazy, incompetent, or overburdened cooks.
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scott
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response 28 of 45:
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May 10 23:26 UTC 2002 |
Not enough demand for salmon, so most restaurants won't have especially fresh
stock nor much experience cooking it. Steaks are easy; everybody eats steak,
and cooks get plenty of practice. I usually figure Japanese restaurants are
bit more fussy about the fish they serve, given the importance of seafood in
Japanese cuisine.
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drew
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response 29 of 45:
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May 11 02:15 UTC 2002 |
Red meat?? The last time I had salmon, it had a definite red hue to it.
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jaklumen
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response 30 of 45:
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May 11 08:17 UTC 2002 |
Fish is not generally characterized as red meat, silly =)
which begs the question: is pork really the other white meat?
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oval
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response 31 of 45:
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May 11 08:31 UTC 2002 |
no .. its just the 'nastier meat'. but pork loin prepared the right way is
enjoyable ..
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keesan
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response 32 of 45:
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May 11 12:30 UTC 2002 |
Everybody does not eat steak. Even carnivores often try to reduce their fat
intake.
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mcnally
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response 33 of 45:
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May 11 14:48 UTC 2002 |
As an aside, I've been noticing lately a lot of statements with
construction similar to Sindi's "Everybody does not eat steak," in #32.
Clearly what she means is that there are people who do not eat steak
but am I the only overly-literal reader who thinks that what she's
actually saying is that nobody eats steak and that instead of saying
"everybody does not" she should have said "not everybody does"?
It seems like I come across this sort of thing very frequently lately.
Is Sindi's formulation acceptable as common usage or are such statements
just plain wrong?
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md
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response 34 of 45:
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May 11 15:29 UTC 2002 |
That's in the category of annoying fads, like stopping two car lengths
short of the stop line at a red light. People hereabouts started doing
that in numbers a few years ago, but not so much nowadays.
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keesan
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response 35 of 45:
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May 11 16:56 UTC 2002 |
I would have said 'Not everybody eats steak' except in response to the
statement 'Everybody eats steak'. For some reason it sounds better to negate
it with the not in third place, where it can be emphasized. Not everybody
eats steak - you would expect that to be followed by some other phrase such
as - some people eat beans. I don't think English normally lets you put a
strong emphasis on the first word in a sentence, and third word is more
commonly emphasized (or third syllable, anyway). AbsoLUTEly.
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other
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response 36 of 45:
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May 11 18:08 UTC 2002 |
Just in terms of clarity versus ambiguity, the phrase "Not everybody [x]"
is infinitely clearer than "Everybody does not [x]". My own take on it
is that the point of language is to convey meaning. One way is to use
the words for emotional effect, such as in poetry or song, and another
way achieves the communication of cognitive concepts. If the aim is the
latter, then clarity is the goal. The result of combining the
expectations and perceived rules of English expressed in #35 with the
responses to them is contrary to that goal.
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keesan
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response 37 of 45:
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May 12 13:15 UTC 2002 |
There is a major difference between the written language, which relies solely
on word order, and the spoken language, where intonation is more important.
I was using, in writing, the spoken language. Everybody does NOT eat steak
as opposed to Not everybody eats STEAK (some eat BEANS) or Not everybody EATS
steak (some people BURY it). I don't recall hearing NOT everybody eats
steak. Or even not EVERYBODY eats steak.
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other
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response 38 of 45:
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May 12 15:37 UTC 2002 |
This is one case (out of many, i'm sure) in which the "written language,"
as you say, is the way I say something, because it is unambiguous.
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keesan
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response 39 of 45:
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May 12 15:41 UTC 2002 |
The spoken language is unambiguous, with intonation.
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mcnally
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response 40 of 45:
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May 12 18:24 UTC 2002 |
You can emphasize any word in that sentence any way you want and I still
believe it will be incorrect..
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edina
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response 41 of 45:
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May 13 14:31 UTC 2002 |
Ok - from salmon to grammar. An interesting flavor of drift. I'll give it
a 6.5.
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gull
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response 42 of 45:
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May 13 15:46 UTC 2002 |
Re #30: Nah, the 'other white meat' is rabbit, if you ask me. :)
Re #34: What's with the people who stop two car lengths from the car in
front of them, at a light, then slowly creeeeep up to it a few feet at a
time? It's really annoying when you drive a stick shift.
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jazz
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response 43 of 45:
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May 13 23:45 UTC 2002 |
Don't forget ostrich!
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gelinas
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response 44 of 45:
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May 14 01:38 UTC 2002 |
it's a way to keep moving, even if only slowly.
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tpryan
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response 45 of 45:
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May 14 17:17 UTC 2002 |
Spoo, the other blue meat!
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