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krj
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response 25 of 35:
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Oct 3 14:16 UTC 2002 |
The last report I saw indicated that around 1000 USA internet radio
streams had shut down in the wake of the copyright royalty ruling.
David, have you looked at BBC Radio 3? I love them for their world
music programming, but outside of the 21:00-24:00 block (UK time;
4 pm - 7 pm Eastern or 1-4pm where you are) they seem to have a very
good classical music lineup. Many BBC programs are also available
for listening on demand, though I haven't checked out the on-demand
classical offerings.
(And for your folk tastes, I suggest the Mike Harding Show on
BBC Radio 2.)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3
http://www.bbc.co.uk/folk
http://www.bbc.co.uk/celticroots (not sure about this link)
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dbratman
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response 26 of 35:
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Oct 24 01:20 UTC 2002 |
Thanks for the links, Ken. I particularly like their storage of
programs, so that one can listen to a given program at one's choice of
time. This is particularly useful because 1-4 pm is the time I'm most
likely to be listening to Internet radio.
The problem is, though, that Radio 3 is very talk-heavy. It's great
for listening while driving through Britain, but I find this kind of
radio very distracting while I'm trying to work.
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krj
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response 27 of 35:
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Oct 24 18:31 UTC 2002 |
Ah. I was thinking more of Radio 3's heavy performance schedule,
which usually has very little talk with it; but most of the performances
aren't available on demand, and aren't aired during your peak
listening hours. Poot!
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dbratman
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response 28 of 35:
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Oct 24 23:57 UTC 2002 |
Not exactly clear to me what time of days those heavy performances
are. I don't recall hearing much of that during daytime listening to
the station while in Britain. Evening programs were somewhat better,
but that'd be approximately the 1-4 pm time slot Pacific Time ...?
Regardless, however, I've made one extremely talk-heavy but very
satisfying discovery on the BBC web site, and that is their Discovering
Music programs at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classical/discover.shtml
This is a series of 45-minute programs, each analyzing (usually) a
single work of music, playing excerpts and showing how it fits
together. Not too technical, though occasionally for me a shade too
untechnical. There is the risk of falling victim to the analyst's
hobbyhorse, but most of the ones I've listened to so far are really
excellent. After Robert Winter's now-deleted Voyager CD-ROMs of
Beethoven and Stravinsky, these progrmas are the best device for
explaining classical music to curious but untutored listeners that I've
heard.
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russ
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response 29 of 35:
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Oct 25 04:15 UTC 2002 |
How difficult is it to download those programs and burn them to CD?
Can you get them via ftp as opposed to streaming?
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dbratman
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response 30 of 35:
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Oct 26 00:17 UTC 2002 |
Russ, your question shoots right off the scale of my technical
knowledge. I count myself learned in merely knowing what you're
talking about.
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krj
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response 31 of 35:
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Oct 26 01:04 UTC 2002 |
The BBC shows are not packaged for FTP downloading, only for streaming.
The collection of "Discovering Music" shows which David has discovered
don't seem to be any different in that respect than the rest of the
BBC radio archives.
In the "BBC" radio item, I think, there have been discussions of
a Windows program called Total Recorder which lets you capture the
streams and make MP3 files out of them; it seems to be a time-intensive
process. My technical advisor is trying to figure out an
equivalent process for Unix, and it seems somewhat daunting just
getting the BBC's Real Audio stuff running on Unix.
David: as for the Radio3 schedule, you need to look at the schedule
link at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3. I think it's changed a lot
since you were last in Britain, with arts talk, Late Junction and
Andy Kershaw now getting the evening time block.
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russ
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response 32 of 35:
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Oct 28 03:20 UTC 2002 |
Re #30: Most streaming protocols just shovel packets out and whatever
gets through, gets through; this is okay for real-time stuff where loss
of data is acceptable, but not for applications where integrity is
vital. ftp is another type of protocol, which will request repeats of
any data packets which don't make it and it takes however long it takes.
ftp isn't any good for real-time applications, but if you could ftp the
back shows you could dribble them into your computer over slow lines,
low-quality lines, or whatever. It could take all night for a one-hour
show, you don't care. When it came time to play back, you'd have a
guaranteed complete copy right on your hard disk (or on the CD you
burned it to).
Maybe one could put a bug in the BBC's ear about this...
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krj
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response 33 of 35:
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Oct 28 13:39 UTC 2002 |
Lack of an FTP archive is almost certainly due to the current
interpretations of copyright law which treat streamed media as
temporary copies and downloaded files as permanent ones.
The BBC has explained on their website that copyright law interpretations
do not allow them to implement a rewind button on the archived
program, because a listener might back up over a particular juicy
part and record it. As it is, the BBC does things which would not
be allowed for USA webcasters, such as (often) providing a playlist
which the listener can consult before playing the program.
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tpryan
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response 34 of 35:
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Oct 28 17:50 UTC 2002 |
Turn off all other sounds on your PC. Sound card line-out to
MiniDisc line-in. Re-use the MD once they are re-downloaded to PC
from MD and archived on CD.
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dbratman
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response 35 of 35:
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Oct 29 00:07 UTC 2002 |
Interesting, I haven't had any problems rewinding these BBC shows. I
just push the little moving tag in the Real Player window to the left a
ways, and hear again whatever I want to.
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