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Grex > Agora41 > #246: International Court of Law, the Hague and Bush's Bill | |
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drew
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response 25 of 44:
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Jun 11 01:58 UTC 2002 |
Re world government: Something like was tried a couple hundred years ago on
a smaller scale - multiple 'states' joining together to form an overgovernment
for the purpose of dealing with the rest of the world, yet retaining the right
to make their own internal laws. Somehow or other that right of home rule got
eroded somewhat as the overgovernment started passing laws that should have
been outside its jurisdiction. I think a lot of the citizens of these 'states'
are suspicious of the UN for that reason.
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jp2
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response 26 of 44:
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Jun 11 01:59 UTC 2002 |
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jmsaul
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response 27 of 44:
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Jun 11 04:51 UTC 2002 |
Re #24: I don't personally know enough about the circumstances to compare
the situation with Dutchbat to the US forces in S. Korea. I *do*
know that other peacekeeping forces (the UK, specifically) didn't
always have the backing they needed to do anything about ethnic
cleansing, in part because nobody in power realized what was going
to happen. That isn't a defense for the people in power, who should
damn well have been able to figure it out, but it can be a defense
for the soldiers in the field.
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clees
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response 28 of 44:
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Jun 11 08:47 UTC 2002 |
I agree with Russ.
Even if they weren't backed up enough with fire power (requests for air
support were repeatedly turned down by HQ in zagreb), they still should
have made a stand. They were there to protect the people of Srebrenica,
not their own hides.
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jmsaul
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response 29 of 44:
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Jun 11 15:07 UTC 2002 |
Have you seen an English-language article that goes into any depth on this?
I'm genuinely interested, but haven't been able to find one.
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clees
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response 30 of 44:
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Jun 11 21:28 UTC 2002 |
eeehhh.. I could go start looking for it.
I can tell you that after all those years, the publication of the final
report has made the government fall a month their term ended.
List Pim Fortuyn was the next step.
All this made me realise this:
NATO states that *any* attack on a member state will be considered an
attack on all memeber states.
Does thgis imply that if, the US invade Holland to free war criminals,
the other states have to declare war on the US?
But what if the US, as a result is attacked?
This is quite confusing.
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rcurl
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response 31 of 44:
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Jun 11 21:49 UTC 2002 |
The US will not invade Holland. There are too many Americans of Dutch
descent, who vote.
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lk
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response 32 of 44:
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Jun 12 02:37 UTC 2002 |
Oh, come on. The armed forces deserve a break. Just think what a nice
vacation could be had in a Holland invasion? Why should our troops
always have to go out to distant jungles, deserts and mountains?
Aha! Said invasion could somehow be tied into the war on drugs!
It would be US and our new found friends in Colombia and Afghanistan
against the rest of NATO. The French could start on one side and
switch to the other at halftime. [Visions of Woody Allen selling
hot-dogs and pop-corn in "Love & War"]
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rcurl
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response 33 of 44:
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Jun 12 03:09 UTC 2002 |
Besides, what would the US get? A lot of real estate that is going
to flood with global warming. How would that help developers?
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oval
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response 34 of 44:
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Jun 12 04:54 UTC 2002 |
<puts on her floaties>
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clees
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response 35 of 44:
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Jun 12 06:28 UTC 2002 |
Here are a couple of links I found on the subject:
http://www.hrw.org/summaries/s.bosnia9510.html
http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/srebrenica010713.html
http://www.ikv.nl/ikv/srebrenica/pb-engels.html
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gull
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response 36 of 44:
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Jun 18 13:11 UTC 2002 |
Re #33: We could capture Dutch engineers for their dike-building expertise,
which will become highly valuable in coming years.
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clees
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response 37 of 44:
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Jun 18 22:32 UTC 2002 |
Hey, we are going to need them more than you are.
The only town you'll lose is New Orleans.
We are goping to lose an entire country.
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clees
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response 38 of 44:
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Jun 18 22:33 UTC 2002 |
* going *
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oval
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response 39 of 44:
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Jun 19 01:18 UTC 2002 |
should i start saving for a barge?
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clees
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response 40 of 44:
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Jun 19 21:48 UTC 2002 |
An ark, I'd say.
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rcurl
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response 41 of 44:
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Jun 20 15:00 UTC 2002 |
We will lose lots of Florida...maybe a larger area than The
Netherlands.
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bhelliom
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response 42 of 44:
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Jun 20 20:43 UTC 2002 |
Aren't there a few areas further north on the eastern seaboard that are
also in danger?
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orinoco
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response 43 of 44:
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Jun 21 01:14 UTC 2002 |
In the long run, any coastal city is in danger. DC in particular is pretty
low-lying, and I imagine it would have some real problems.
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clees
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response 44 of 44:
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Jun 21 06:36 UTC 2002 |
Take a snap look at my website and click the Global War(m)(n)ing: 'What
would the netherlands look like if sea level rises 30 feet?'
http://home-l2.tiscali.nl/~sparhawk/index.htm
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