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senna
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response 245 of 306:
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Jun 7 23:54 UTC 1998 |
Wrap is working today...
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keesan
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response 246 of 306:
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Jun 8 01:25 UTC 1998 |
I decided I would not learn unix simply from reading agora. This book starts
by explaining shell, editor, etc.
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keesan
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response 247 of 306:
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Jun 8 02:45 UTC 1998 |
The problem with zmodem was not a system problem or a problem of
incompatibility between two versions of zmodem. Thanks to Mike McNally's
explanation of what a UART is, I switched back from the external 9600 bps to
the internal 1.4K modem (with a newer UART), set at 9600 bps, and now can both
upload and download with zmodem. His explanation of buffers may have
something to do with the fact that at 1.4k my 8088 on grex freezes up (when
I type too fast), so both problems are solved with the 1.4K modem at 9600.
Many thanks to everyone for their ideas. It was not a software problem.
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rtgreen
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response 248 of 306:
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Jun 8 04:27 UTC 1998 |
'idiot' and 'moron' have specific definitions in terms of IQ range. The
specifics I did not deem important enough to commit to memory...
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rcurl
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response 249 of 306:
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Jun 8 07:09 UTC 1998 |
That's now all obsolete. Even "IQ" is an obsolete measure, and no longer
has any scientific use.
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davel
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response 250 of 306:
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Jun 8 11:35 UTC 1998 |
However, last I heard that was *not* a Grex system proplem.
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rcurl
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response 251 of 306:
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Jun 8 17:04 UTC 1998 |
You think "dummies" and "idiots" are not Grex system problems?
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dpc
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response 252 of 306:
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Jun 9 02:09 UTC 1998 |
Around 5:00 this afternoon, and again just now, I dialed in to
761-3000 and got "modem answers but no Grex." Each time I re-dialed
761-4931 and got in with no problem. What's going on?
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other
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response 253 of 306:
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Jun 9 03:20 UTC 1998 |
Similar. Twice today i dialed in and got the CONNECT 19200 message i always
get, but no welcome and no login prompt. the first time, i tried a couple
times more and then got in. this time i tried a couple times more and then
dialed my isp and telnetted in. on all occasions i dialed 761-3000.
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jep
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response 254 of 306:
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Jun 9 13:18 UTC 1998 |
re #251: Nope, it's nice to have someone to talk to. (-:
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scott
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response 255 of 306:
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Jun 9 14:24 UTC 1998 |
Grex was crashed last night, not sure when it started.
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keesan
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response 256 of 306:
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Jun 9 17:13 UTC 1998 |
I think there is a built-in filter against anyone who cannot figure out how
to use the system, so therefore a shortage of dummies online. I have noticed
how eager people have been to help me, so I must be a real rarity.
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richard
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response 257 of 306:
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Jun 12 14:58 UTC 1998 |
I just tried to telnet in and was #73 in the que! (Im still in the que
ten minutes later at #55 as I type this via backtalk) Has grex been
cutting telnet ports or something? Why is there any reason to allow so
many into the que? Wouldnt it be better to cap the que at a max of 35
or 40? Anybody above 35 or 40 in the que, grex could give a:
"sorry, Grex is full at the moment. Try again later or feel free to
visit us via backtalk at www.cyberspace.org"
and then disconnect. I imagine many who find themselves in the 60's or
70's in the que are just ghosts by the time they reach the login prompt.
Any statistics on what percentage reach logon after being in the que but
then dont logon?
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mcnally
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response 258 of 306:
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Jun 12 15:42 UTC 1998 |
So basically what you want is a way to get into the queue ahead of others
who you figure probably aren't paying attention by the time their names
come up? If they're gone by the time they get to the head of the queue
the system will take care of it within a minute or two and move on to the
next person.
The whole point of having a queue is so users can get a connection in a
bounded amount of time with connections assigned in an equitable manner --
if the queue "filled up" and you had to compete for a spot in the queue
you could get screwed, with people who started behind you entering the
queue ahead of you -- in fact there'd be little point in *having* the
queue because you'd be right back to the situation where people coming
in would have to "attack dial" (or "attack telnet") for a limited number
of spots and hope to get lucky.
The current system has the advantage of being as fair as it can reasonably
be made and is still quite efficient. I don't think anyone can argue with
the fairness of the queue -- what you're really arguing for is the chance
to have special priveleges and jump ahead of people who have been waiting
longer..
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rcurl
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response 259 of 306:
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Jun 12 16:51 UTC 1998 |
It would be useful to know the "telnet attack" frequency after the queue
is full, and also the frequency of timeouts when users reach the head of
the queue, during the course of the day(s). No logical decision on the
optimum length of the queue can be made without knowing its dynamics.
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davel
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response 260 of 306:
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Jun 12 17:03 UTC 1998 |
Or, of course, have a queue length of zero, right Richard?
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jerome
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response 261 of 306:
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Jun 12 17:27 UTC 1998 |
The queue is definitely a Good Thing, and I think something that Mnet is
sorely lacking. There's been talk of increasing the number of ptys to
allow 80 remote users to log in at once (as opposed to the current setting
of 64). After the mail machine is up, that'll take even more load off the
sun, and could quite possibly permit even more simultaneous users (I'm
looking forward to the day when Grex can support 100 users at once).
I think that increasing the number of simultaenous users allowed (while
being careful to make sure system performance has not been sacraficed)
actually has two positive effects: Not only is the queue going to be
shorter (on the average), but since more users will be able to log in,
check their mail, conferences, etc., and log off, there will also be
a higher turnover of users, and thus the queue will move faster.
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atticus
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response 262 of 306:
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Jun 12 18:28 UTC 1998 |
(In fact The Queue is one of the main reasons which persuaded me to
shift to Grex from M-Net.)
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jep
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response 263 of 306:
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Jun 12 19:18 UTC 1998 |
I haven't received a notice from M-Net that no ports were available for
many moons.
I also tried to telnet in to Grex earlier, and was shocked to find
myself at a position over 70. The highest I'd seen before was in the
mid-40s. Congrats to Grex on it's success.
However, richard is not entirely off base here. I have telnetted to
Grex and not noticed my position in the queue came up until I had been
disconnected. I don't think many coming here during the day can sit at
their computer and wait until their number comes up, when that can take
15-20 minutes or even much longer. My favorite solution would be to
increase the number of allowed telnet sessions until there are some
complaints about connection speed, but barring that, a limit to length
of the queue doesn't seem out of line to me.
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remmers
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response 264 of 306:
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Jun 12 19:34 UTC 1998 |
Unlimited queue length gives greatest flexibility to folks, so I
wouldn't want to see that change. If I connect to Grex and find
myself way back in the queue, I have the choice of either (a)
waiting it out, or (b) disconnecting and trying again later. If
I couldn't even get in the queue, my option would be limited to (b).
How does that help anyone?
When I telnet to Grex, I'm using a windowing environment in which I
can do other things on the interent while I'm waiting in the queue.
Waiting 15-20 minutes or longer is no usually no problem.
I use an ISP which M-Net doesn't always recognize as "local" (i.e.
Michigan-based). The non-local-guest telnet ports on M-Net are
frequently filled up.
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arianna
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response 265 of 306:
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Jun 12 20:01 UTC 1998 |
When I see that the queue is obnoxiously high, I just disconnect and wait till
later. *shrug*
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scg
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response 266 of 306:
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Jun 12 21:14 UTC 1998 |
If the queue is too long, you can always come back later, which is what would
would have to do without the queue, or with a limit to its length.
M-Net hasn't given me a notice about no ports being available in ages either,
but they consider the network I come in from to be "local", so I have access
to a lot of ports that people coming from other places don't.
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keesan
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response 267 of 306:
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Jun 12 21:28 UTC 1998 |
Could people far back in the queue just dial in instead? (If local).
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scott
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response 268 of 306:
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Jun 12 22:40 UTC 1998 |
Depends. Some people have ubiquitous Internet (at work or school, usually)
but no modem.
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keesan
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response 269 of 306:
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Jun 12 23:38 UTC 1998 |
How does one reach the Internet without a modem?
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